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OURN83 · Nov 5, 2005

How exactly do you work as a graduate "nurse"? you are not a nurse until you are Licensed! I've never even heard of that. IMO you are still a STUDENT nurse (if someone is going to hire you but make someone supervise while you work) you are still a student.

The fact that you titled yourself (by mistake) on ONE occasion as a RN and are fired now because of it.. I think that is harsh and they are using it as an excuse because they are afraid of getting into a legal trouble. I am sure it isn't legal for you to have worked there while not having your license. even if someone was always supervising.. I really wish you had never signed your name with that title because had you not, you probably could have gotten THEM in trouble.

Editorial Team / Admin · Nov 5, 2005

How exactly do you work as a graduate "nurse"? you are not a nurse until you are Licensed! I've never even heard of that. IMO you are still a STUDENT nurse (if someone is going to hire you but make someone supervise while you work) you are still a student.
The fact that you titled yourself (by mistake) on ONE occasion as a RN and are fired now because of it.. I think that is harsh and they are using it as an excuse because they are afraid of getting into a legal trouble. I am sure it isn't legal for you to have worked there while not having your license. even if someone was always supervising.. I really wish you had never signed your name with that title because had you not, you probably could have gotten THEM in trouble.

Hello, OURN83,:balloons:

Upon completion of a nursing program and after graduation while waiting for NCLEX results, the individual can work legally and be titled GN or graduate nurse. But, upon failure of NCLEX, the individual may be able to keep his/her job, but, be titled "Tech" or something similar.

OURN83 · Nov 5, 2005

Don't I feel sheepish!

Sorry Fat Ankles, I misunderstood.

fat ankles · Nov 5, 2005

hello siri,

to answer youre questions--the date i wrote was just an example of how it was signed, i didn't graduate until 5/05 this just happened recently--i'm also being accused of carrying myself as an rn, receiving rn pay, berating staff members in common areas, and "a" family member had a complaint against me saying i was rude to her on the phone. these r the reasons i was told i was being fired. there were three of us who graduated that were working as gns, one went to jail, the other didn't want the job, so i applied for the position. when the other gn found out i had the job thats when all this started, i got so much flack it was unreal, so i reported to my don then it got worse, but let me back up--the pay i received was given to me for my years of experience as an lpn on top of accepting the unit managers position and after i passed the boards i was to receive a raise ( this is what the don told me), well corporate says i was listed in the computer as an rn receiving rn pay, i told her that was not true that all she had to do was talk to the don where i was informed that the don and the administrator both were suspended pending an investigation i said ok just look at my personel file, then corporate politely informed me that my personnel file had been altered, actually i think she forgot i was sitting there when she made that comment and i asked her for a copy of my personnel file to give to my lawyer for which she flat out refused, now because this was my first managerial position i didn't really trust anyone so when i had to talk to the other staff members about anything i always took another nurse with me and i kept a log, corporate wanted my log and i wouldnt give it to them i told them they could have a copy they said they needed the original----------------------ill be right back got to get to my sons game

Katydidit34 · Nov 5, 2005

In my state, a GN obtains a permit from the Board of Nurse Examiners to practice pending NCLEX results. The permit is only good for a certain amount of time. However, a graduate nurse is allowed to practice as a graduate nurse in some states. Just a little F.Y.I.

rn/writer, RN · Nov 5, 2005

hello siri,
to answer youre questions--the date i wrote was just an example of how it was signed, i didn't graduate until 5/05 this just happened recently--i'm also being accused of carrying myself as an rn, receiving rn pay, berating staff members in common areas, and "a" family member had a complaint against me saying i was rude to her on the phone. these r the reasons i was told i was being fired. there were three of us who graduated that were working as gns, one went to jail, the other didn't want the job, so i applied for the position. when the other gn found out i had the job thats when all this started, i got so much flack it was unreal, so i reported to my don then it got worse, but let me back up--the pay i received was given to me for my years of experience as an lpn on top of accepting the unit managers position and after i passed the boards i was to receive a raise ( this is what the don told me), well corporate says i was listed in the computer as an rn receiving rn pay, i told her that was not true that all she had to do was talk to the don where i was informed that the don and the administrator both were suspended pending an investigation i said ok just look at my personel file, then corporate politely informed me that my personnel file had been altered, actually i think she forgot i was sitting there when she made that comment and i asked her for a copy of my personnel file to give to my lawyer for which she flat out refused, now because this was my first managerial position i didn't really trust anyone so when i had to talk to the other staff members about anything i always took another nurse with me and i kept a log, corporate wanted my log and i wouldnt give it to them i told them they could have a copy they said they needed the original----------------------ill be right back got to get to my sons game

I'm interested in hearing the rest of this account, but I also would like to make a suggestion. Your story has many facets to it and is somewhat hard to follow just because of that. What is adding to my confusion (and perhaps to others') is that you aren't using punctuation. I have to read and re-read passages to decide where one sentence stops and another begins and I'm not always certain I'm correct. I'd encourage you to punctuate your sentences so that any fuzziness will be from the craziness you've been through and not from your telling of it. A little thing, but one which would be much appreciated.

Cute_CNA, CNA · Nov 5, 2005

hello siri,
to answer youre questions--the date i wrote was just an example of how it was signed, i didn't graduate until 5/05 this just happened recently--i'm also being accused of carrying myself as an rn, receiving rn pay, berating staff members in common areas, and "a" family member had a complaint against me saying i was rude to her on the phone. these r the reasons i was told i was being fired. there were three of us who graduated that were working as gns, one went to jail, the other didn't want the job, so i applied for the position. when the other gn found out i had the job thats when all this started, i got so much flack it was unreal, so i reported to my don then it got worse, but let me back up--the pay i received was given to me for my years of experience as an lpn on top of accepting the unit managers position and after i passed the boards i was to receive a raise ( this is what the don told me), well corporate says i was listed in the computer as an rn receiving rn pay, i told her that was not true that all she had to do was talk to the don where i was informed that the don and the administrator both were suspended pending an investigation i said ok just look at my personel file, then corporate politely informed me that my personnel file had been altered, actually i think she forgot i was sitting there when she made that comment and i asked her for a copy of my personnel file to give to my lawyer for which she flat out refused, now because this was my first managerial position i didn't really trust anyone so when i had to talk to the other staff members about anything i always took another nurse with me and i kept a log, corporate wanted my log and i wouldnt give it to them i told them they could have a copy they said they needed the original----------------------ill be right back got to get to my sons game

This place sounds pretty bad. What you did was wrong, but there sounds like there's a lot of problems going all the way up to the top anyway. You might want to consider resigning, and finding somewhere else to work. I wouldn't count on help from the DON at this point, especially if you didn't get anything in writing.

However, you should get opinions from actual nurses on here about your next steps, since I'm a CNA, not a nurse. They probably know things I don't. :)

Good luck, and I hope you learned from the experience.

TypicalFish · Nov 5, 2005

hello siri,
to answer youre questions--the date i wrote was just an example of how it was signed, i didn't graduate until 5/05 this just happened recently--i'm also being accused of carrying myself as an rn, receiving rn pay, berating staff members in common areas, and "a" family member had a complaint against me saying i was rude to her on the phone. these r the reasons i was told i was being fired. there were three of us who graduated that were working as gns, one went to jail, the other didn't want the job, so i applied for the position. when the other gn found out i had the job thats when all this started, i got so much flack it was unreal, so i reported to my don then it got worse, but let me back up--the pay i received was given to me for my years of experience as an lpn on top of accepting the unit managers position and after i passed the boards i was to receive a raise ( this is what the don told me), well corporate says i was listed in the computer as an rn receiving rn pay, i told her that was not true that all she had to do was talk to the don where i was informed that the don and the administrator both were suspended pending an investigation i said ok just look at my personel file, then corporate politely informed me that my personnel file had been altered, actually i think she forgot i was sitting there when she made that comment and i asked her for a copy of my personnel file to give to my lawyer for which she flat out refused, now because this was my first managerial position i didn't really trust anyone so when i had to talk to the other staff members about anything i always took another nurse with me and i kept a log, corporate wanted my log and i wouldnt give it to them i told them they could have a copy they said they needed the original----------------------ill be right back got to get to my sons game

What I'd like to know is where do you work? A hospital, a LTC facility, what? Because that would make some parts of your story clearer. Also, what was your understanding of what was going on? Was the Unit manager position ONLY for an RN? When did you accept the job, and when did you graduate?

Where I work, you receive a written "offer" letter which explains exactly where you will be working and what your position is; for new grads, it even has a licensure clause. Did you sign anything like that? Also, WHY did you sign "RN" after your name-what was your thought process there? Because unfortunately, it will be very hard for you to prove that you were NOT misrepresenting yourself, because, for that moment, the minute you signed "RN" after your name, you were misrepresenting yourself, a big legal and ethical mistake. I don't sense anywhere in your posts that you realize what you did by doing that-that is one reason to take an ethics class.

You also keep stating "pending an investigation" in reference to the DON and "administrator"-what kind of investigation? I feel like there are parts missing to your story that would make it clearer, and help us understand how to assist you. Your best bet right now is to sit down and write out a long, detailed and clear narrative of what happened, who said and did what, and what YOUR understanding was of the situation from the second you thought about working at this place until now. Get it clear in your own head, so that you can make it clear to others. Also when requetsing things such as a personnel file, do it in writing via certified mail, and also request any denials in writing......

Editorial Team / Admin · Nov 5, 2005

hello siri,
to answer youre questions--the date i wrote was just an example of how it was signed, i didn't graduate until 5/05 this just happened recently--i'm also being accused of carrying myself as an rn, receiving rn pay, berating staff members in common areas, and "a" family member had a complaint against me saying i was rude to her on the phone. these r the reasons i was told i was being fired. there were three of us who graduated that were working as gns, one went to jail, the other didn't want the job, so i applied for the position. when the other gn found out i had the job thats when all this started, i got so much flack it was unreal, so i reported to my don then it got worse, but let me back up--the pay i received was given to me for my years of experience as an lpn on top of accepting the unit managers position and after i passed the boards i was to receive a raise ( this is what the don told me), well corporate says i was listed in the computer as an rn receiving rn pay, i told her that was not true that all she had to do was talk to the don where i was informed that the don and the administrator both were suspended pending an investigation i said ok just look at my personel file, then corporate politely informed me that my personnel file had been altered, actually i think she forgot i was sitting there when she made that comment and i asked her for a copy of my personnel file to give to my lawyer for which she flat out refused, now because this was my first managerial position i didn't really trust anyone so when i had to talk to the other staff members about anything i always took another nurse with me and i kept a log, corporate wanted my log and i wouldnt give it to them i told them they could have a copy they said they needed the original----------------------ill be right back got to get to my sons game

I still have some questions. Just not sure when and why you did what you did.

You graduated in May. Took NCLEX when? Then found out you failed the exam, when? Then signed your name how long after that?

Editorial Team / Admin · Nov 5, 2005

In my state, a GN obtains a permit from the Board of Nurse Examiners to practice pending NCLEX results. The permit is only good for a certain amount of time. However, a graduate nurse is allowed to practice as a graduate nurse in some states. Just a little F.Y.I.

You are exactly correct.

ceecel.dee, MSN, RN · Nov 5, 2005

Sorry about the bad position you are in.

How is it your fault that you are being paid what they are paying you? Is that why the others were suspended? It sounds like they are the ones who have your status, job titles and pay scale screwed up.

I'm confused about these details. Could you clarify?

austin heart, BSN, RN · Nov 5, 2005

There has to be more to this story. What kind of place offers a Unit Manager position to a GN? How long after you failed was it that you signed "RN" after your name and did you know it was a crime when you did it? Also sounds like there is more going on at the facility than you are even aware of or that your sharing with us if both the DON and "administraters" are on suspension and under investigation.

Also by law they must provided you with a copy of your personel file when requested. If they give you flack have your lawyer supoena it.