BYOB at work? - page 8

Need your excellent, expert advice! Recently while at work, it was brought to my attention that another nurse had brought beer FROM HOME and gave it to a vulnerable adult in our Special Care Unit as... Read More

  1. by   FolksBtrippin
    If you think OP did something heroic please post where you work so I know where not to apply for my next job.

    And to be clear there was only one way to handle this appropriately.

    Talk to the nurse yourself. Tell her the CNA was worried and came to you. So you told the CNA you would make sure she had an order.

    You have an order right? No? Ok, you need to get one.
    Last edit by FolksBtrippin on Mar 8
  2. by   Nascar nurse
    Quote from Kayauhs
    If you are missing the outrage at a nurse bringing alcohol from home and giving it to a vulnerable adult without a doctor's order? Then I have no words for you especially as a DON with 30+ years of experience.
    I'm still mystified why you are more intent on being outraged than trying to fix the problem! Maybe THIS is where my 30+ years of experience is shining thru here, keeping the focus on FIXING the problem rather than wasting time creating drama. Have you picked up the phone and discussed this with the Dr. or spoke with the family yet?

    I notice you eventually imply that the person is giving the resident beer to keep them quiet - that was NOT mentioned in your original post and is a whole different problem if in fact true. That would be abuse and if this is true have you directly reported it to your administrator because that is what the federal law requires you to do.

    So what have you done to resolve this issue at this point?
  3. by   FolksBtrippin
    Quote from Kayauhs
    Nope, the point was you brought up Nazis and that is an inappropriate comment. Just say you are sorry. Let's try to talk our way through this so no one gets reported.
    Ironic post of the century right here.

    After saying that giving an ltc resident a beer is a slippery slope to sprinkling cocaine on a residents food, and accusing a coworker of elder abuse for the same action; OP now threatens reporting a poster for bringing up Nazis. Because that's ... inappropriate.
  4. by   sallyrnrrt
    O
    Quote from Kayauhs
    I LOVE THIS PHOTO!!! Saving it.

    So here's what I did. I snuck outside and made sure this nurse's car was unlocked. Then I grabbed two big bags of fermenting BM and urine filled briefs and I hid them under the nurse's back car seat. Then, I went online and I signed this nurse up for every dating site I could find under titles like, "Sasquatch needs a mate", "Dating in the Himalayans", "The Russian Penninsula is calling you for Love".

    THEN, I registered this nurse for as many political online forums I possibly could and listed the nurse's phone number and requested calls DAY OR NIGHT.

    THEN, I registered the nurse with the Foreign Legion.

    THEN, I caught a wild racoon and turned it loose in the nurse's car.


    I'M TOTALLY JOKING I DIDN'T DO ANY OF THAT.

    I simply wrote it all down as it happened and reported it like I should and then got on with my shift because I was BUSY!!


    Oh my gosh, you had me crying in laughter, until at the end, you said you really didn't do all that, but I still love your way of thinking
  5. by   Kayauhs
    Quote from FolksBtrippin
    Ironic post of the century right here.

    After saying that giving an ltc resident a beer is a slippery slope to sprinkling cocaine on a residents food, and accusing a coworker of elder abuse for the same action; OP now threatens reporting a poster for bringing up Nazis. Because that's ... inappropriate.


    The ironic part is that you have a background in psychiatry.

    The ironic part is that you completely missed that I was being sarcastic.

    Sigh...delete, delete, delete. I totally get it, you want me to really, really know that you are the great defender here of the thread. You want me to fully understand that if I cross you then I will pay for what I've done. VERY interesting that you are so hostile and angry towards me for wanting things to be right in nursing and you aren't angry and hostile towards the nurse doing this.

    A really good friend of mine slowly developed an attitude just like yours years ago. He was a brilliant nurse, very sharp he should have been a doctor. He was also one of the funniest people I've ever met. The day to day struggle in nursing dealing with stupid people got to him and slowly, ever so slowly he turned into a bitter, mean, critical person. He was completely burned out. He would jump to conclusions and have very harsh criticisms. He would voice his opinion loudly and often and anyone who would disagree with him was viewed as a foe and someone he should destroy.

    In fact, he had all the symptoms of PTSD. Seeing enough trauma over the course of many years in nursing had greatly impacted him.

    Eventually he was quarrelling with everyone he worked with and he made life for new hires absolute hell. Finally, by mutual agreement he was let go. People can only tolerate just so much of that kind of hostility in the work place and it becomes a problem. He took years off of nursing and now is a salesman which apparently suits him much better.

    Just FYI.
  6. by   Kayauhs
    Quote from sallyrnrrt
    O



    Oh my gosh, you had me crying in laughter, until at the end, you said you really didn't do all that, but I still love your way of thinking

    Thank you for being you. Thank you for being able to read and comprehend when someone is just writing something to be funny. I bet you are wonderful to work with.
  7. by   RNNPICU
    OP:
    I think for me the primary issue is you reported second-hand information. You may not have had the complete story from the CNA, and it may have been half truth. I do understand that the nurse in question likely should have used better judgement. Depending on how you approached this nurse, could have greatly impacted the response that this nurse gave you. This could be a good teaching moment for everyone at your place of employment. My big issue with you reporting this nurse is it was not you that witnessed the event and therefore makes it difficult to know what the entire story and transaction was. There may have been bits of information that people did not want to reveal.

    Your response seems overly harsh, almost as if you have some other issues with this nurse. It is hard to completely understand over just written words, so I may be misinterpreting things. However, it does appear from what has been written that you may not like/care for this particular nurse and are waiting for something to go wrong.

    I think that this could be a good moment for everyone at your place of employment to look at current policies, have a discussion on current practices, invite the docs to come and formulate a new plan. It should not be punitive, rather have it be a dissemination of knowledge. This way staff can come together and address issues versus feeling as though they are attacked.

    Perhaps a write-up was warranted, but it should have been the CNA since that staff member had witnessed the event.
  8. by   FolksBtrippin
    Quote from Kayauhs
    The ironic part is that you have a background in psychiatry.

    The ironic part is that you completely missed that I was being sarcastic.

    Sigh...delete, delete, delete. I totally get it, you want me to really, really know that you are the great defender here of the thread. You want me to fully understand that if I cross you then I will pay for what I've done. VERY interesting that you are so hostile and angry towards me for wanting things to be right in nursing and you aren't angry and hostile towards the nurse doing this.

    A really good friend of mine slowly developed an attitude just like yours years ago. He was a brilliant nurse, very sharp he should have been a doctor. He was also one of the funniest people I've ever met. The day to day struggle in nursing dealing with stupid people got to him and slowly, ever so slowly he turned into a bitter, mean, critical person. He was completely burned out. He would jump to conclusions and have very harsh criticisms. He would voice his opinion loudly and often and anyone who would disagree with him was viewed as a foe and someone he should destroy.

    In fact, he had all the symptoms of PTSD. Seeing enough trauma over the course of many years in nursing had greatly impacted him.

    Eventually he was quarrelling with everyone he worked with and he made life for new hires absolute hell. Finally, by mutual agreement he was let go. People can only tolerate just so much of that kind of hostility in the work place and it becomes a problem. He took years off of nursing and now is a salesman which apparently suits him much better.

    Just FYI.
    You just topped it. This right here is the new most ironic post.
  9. by   kimpossible4real
    Would report for sure. Agree who brings in beer from home?
  10. by   jeanbeth
    How many nurses are giving him a beer? How many meds is he getting that should not be mixed with alcohol? Wow! Way too many reasons to let this go unreported. CYA CYA! What if he falls? What if in the fall report a CNA reports that she let you know that he's been getting alcohol? CYA CYA! Patient safety is paramount here. If there is no MD order this should not be happening. Report this suspected unsafe practice. You are mandated to do so.
  11. by   jeanbeth
    But it's not our job to investigate motives or accuracy. Others are required to take over that function. Mandated reporters are legally required to ensure a report is made when abuse, neglect, or at-risk situations are observed or SUSPECTED. (Elder Abuse and Neglect Reporting - Connecticut. Mandated Reporters of Child and Elder Abuse)
  12. by   Persephone Paige
    I worked for about a year in a cluster home. There were 3 houses with 8 residents in each house and most if not all had very little to look forward to in life. It's very easy in these type settings for boundaries to get blurred. There was this one guy with severe spastic CP, he was just a regular guy. He was always eyeballing the female workers and he had an admirer among the aides. His family was fine with her taking him out and as it turns out they were having sex. He was happy as hell about it, but of course that's a line not to be crossed. The family never pressed charges, the worker was fired. We were all shocked, but maybe we shouldn't have been. He was a man and he was lonely ( and stoved-up too, I guess ) Anyway, I guess my point is that I forget they are just a person who might want a beer, or to have sex but the prospects of either of those ever happening are severely limited because they are in a facility that views them as perpetual children. I'll admit that I don't know what the answer is, but it needs to be addressed because there's more to a person than their diagnosis. If they don't already, they should have some sort of a position that can address the wants and needs of this unique population.
  13. by   Nursetom1963
    Quote from caliotter3
    If you prevented the CNA from being fired in retaliation, then good for you. Now that all has been decided since the resident's doctor refuses to sign an order for future dispensing of alcohol, move on to the rest of your tasks.
    How you going to prevent the CNA from being fired? I was a CNA, and you know if management wants to get rid of someone, they do.

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