"Are you saved?" How do YOU deal with these types of questions - page 14
I would love to hear from some more experienced ppl some ways to deal with these types of personal questions. In my region, there are many devout evangelical Christian people who I think are... Read More
Apr 7, '05I always give the standard response:
I was saved 2000 years ago.
But everyone holds the keys to Hell if that is what they wish.
Apr 7, '05Quote from kenniKenni...I don't mind discussing religion with others. I really don't care what denomination it is, but I prefer they had God somehow in their lives. it's when they start trying to TELL ME what I need to do and how I NEED TO CHANGE that I get upset.
Why? Why would you prefer I have a God in my life? I am a happy person, I have lots of friends and family, I've been in the same relationship with my boyfriend for 16 years (and no, I don't like to rush into things :chuckle ), I have a great job that I love, I am absolutely fantastic at what I do, I love my patients and they love me, I am happy and content.
I am one of those nurses that my patients remember. I get cards and letters from patients and family members, they typically say they know I care about them and I do.
I was born and raised Christian. I finally came to terms with all of that and one day I acknowledged that I just don't believe in the Christian dogma. I tried, I tried my best. Since I quit trying so hard to believe I am happier now moreso than ever.
I'm a good person and that is my religion. When people ask and I can't dodge the question I generally answer that my religion is to be the best person I can possibly be. When I do something nice for someone else, it isn't a brownie point with a God. I do it because it is the right thing to do. No outside rewards, all the rewards I get come from within.
There are lots and lots of happy and content people that don't have a God. That's okay, it really is. I don't mean that in a snitty way, honestly I don't. I mean it literally. It just doesn't take a God to be happy and content with the way things are. It doesn't take a God or religion to have morality or care for your fellow human beings.
If there is a God and I am all wrong about this... well here is my feeling. If he cares more for how I worship him vs. how I live my life and treat those I can see, feel, and hear... I have no use for this God anyway.
Besides, if there is a God I just can't fathom how he would be so mean and heartless, arrogant and an egomaniac that his #1 concern for me is that I acknowledge him and put him before those that actually need me to be there for them in the here and now. That just doesn't make any sense.
I am a nurse, a daughter, a girlfriend, a sister, a friend, a concerned citizen, a volunteer, a person who donates time and money to worthy causes and people in need, and I am an atheist. Don't we really share more than you might think?
Apr 7, '05Quote from RebornSo if I approached you and asked you to give up your God and be an atheist so you could be as happy as me, that wouldn't make you feel a little put off? Not even just a TINY bit? Is it really up to me to suggest you change and be like me because *I* think you'll be happier if you think like I do?Well, I have never really thought about that question from the POV you ask. I have always felt most people ask that because they are so happy to be saved that they just want everyone to be.
One of yours posts was a little uncalled for. I think if the tables were turned you might have a little different attitude. Certainly a better understanding of the situation as a whole.
Apr 7, '05Wow - I've never been asked if I've been saved. I'm sure i would blurt out "from what, what do you mean?" Other than that I think I would just answer "yes thanks" and quickly busy myself with another task. When people (usually 2 young men) knock on the door to give me pamphlets I politley and answer "No thanks" and close the door. If someone jammed their foot in the door I would freak and probably stomp as hard as i could on their foot. Oh, i hope that never happens!
Apr 7, '05Quote from RebornBut for this thread and many more like it on other boards just amazes me, that people complain about how the Christian worldview offends them. Sorry, but none of us have a right not to be offended, that's the most ridiculous concept of the modern world. Other people's secular view may very well offend me, but I put up with it quietly day in, day out, all day long (until I "go off" like in my previous thread)
No one's world view offends me. (I'm trying to understand your double negative "none of us have the right not to be offended"...guess I need more coffee. )
I too get a little dismayed with the Christian bashing. I try to see both views. 1) The command of all true Christians to take it to all the world, and 2) the frustrations of non-Christians living in a Christian dominated society who are a bit weary of the Christians not so quietly taking it to all the world. Also I understand, that not all of us have a warm fuzzy experience of Christianity and Christ, and it jades our view of what true Christianity is all about. It's not Christ or Christianity I have a problem with, it's some of His followers.
Anyway, we're way off topic, but as you're trying to enlighten some of us, I hope you too can step out of your paradigm (sp? I hate that world) and take another look.Last edit by Tweety on Apr 7, '05
Apr 7, '05Quote from NurseRachyWow - I've never been asked if I've been saved. I'm sure i would blurt out "from what, what do you mean?" Other than that I think I would just answer "yes thanks" and quickly busy myself with another task. When people (usually 2 young men) knock on the door to give me pamphlets I politley and answer "No thanks" and close the door. If someone jammed their foot in the door I would freak and probably stomp as hard as i could on their foot. Oh, i hope that never happens!
I grew up in a medium sized town in NC (in the so-called "Bible Belt"), and I've been asked that in line at the grocery store, at school, and by patients. But not all too often. But more often it's "what Church do you go to?".
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Apr 7, '05Quote from RebornReally? Wow, I never knew I was like that. Thanks for letting me know what kind of a person I must be because I don't have a personal saving relationship with Jesus . . . :uhoh21:Because if THEY are truly saved, it means they are trying to become more like Christ and less like a person who just lives in the flesh. (selfish, self-centered, materialistic, hedonistic, etc.) That is what it is about, this personal saving relationship with Jesus.
Apr 7, '05Quote from AzMichelleNo, I've never been an atheist.HAHAHA... you have obviously never been an atheist in the midst of those wanting to save you! :chuckle .......................................
I've always believed in God, and always will.
I'm NOT a believer of manmade religions be they "christian, satanic, atheism, buddhist, kabbala, or otherwise" though.
Apr 7, '05Quote from TweetyThank you for sharing your take on this with me. Much appreciated.I don't get offended when people, including patients, ask me if I'm saved because as Christians I understand that is their command to bring all they can into the Kingdom.
Renee, there's a difference between someone asking about your spirituality and "are you saved?". Are you saved means you'll get a sermon if you aren't. Asking about my spirituality invites an open discussion.
I am there to take care of my patients spiritual needs, not mine, so I don't feel the need to discuss it with them. The same way I don't talk to them about any personal medical problems, unless it relates to them and I can share how I dealt.
To those of us who aren't saved in the eyes of the Christian, we need a tactful way to not discuss it so we don't ruin any rapport we've built up with our patients. So no, I'm not going to proclaim any spritiuality to the one who asks "are you saved".
Am I making sense.
And no, it doesn't offend or rile me up. :hatparty:
Apr 7, '05Quote from prmenrs
Apr 7, '05Because if THEY are truly saved, it means they are trying to become more like Christ and less like a person who just lives in the flesh. (selfish, self-centered, materialistic, hedonistic, etc.) That is what it is about, this personal saving relationship with Jesus.
Apr 7, '05Quote from Marie_LPNWhat IS it about then?This is not what it's all about for some people.
AzMic: You asked about giving up my God. I really didn't read the question of the original post or the one I was asked as such.
But even if so, no, nothing puts me off on the job, number one, becuase it's my job, period.
I am paid to accept others opinions.
In my personal life, put off?, No, sorry, I would only feel sad that they didn't know the joy that I know, in my Lord.
Again, why would anyone infer that this means I must think others have no joy? I really don't understand that.
You ask what if the tables were turned? I'm not sure what that means, but if it means what I understand, they are turned, daily, almost constantly, and that was one of the points of my posts. Christians live in a secular world. Everything that ISN'T Christian surrounds me daily, but that's Ok, I don't even mind. I have what I want surrounding me in my own sanctuary of my home and my church.
What in particular in my post was "uncalled for"? I would be glad to revisit and reconsider my statements, but they may not change.
However, with just that general accusation, I can't respond.
Sorry for the typo Tweety, what I meant was that none of us have the right to be not offended. If your beliefs offend me and vice versa, oh well. That's why we live in America. But my employer is not paying me to discuss my POV with his clients.
Also, I'm confused about you describing our society as "Christian dominated"
By what are you measuring with? All the media is secular, (with exception of the dreaded "televangelists" :uhoh21: ) , and not even conservative. All around the country, cities are removing Christian's symbols, the sanctity of life is not upheld,etc. So how is it that Christianity is dominant?
And as far as "what church do you go to?", I think that's a "social" question as often as a spiritual one, unfortunately. Not meant to be any more offensive that, say, "where did you go to college". So why do people get upset by that?
AzMich, If you will re-read some of the thread that includes my posts, you will notice that my POV was related to the original question posted in the thread as I understood it: IE: a "religious" question or statement of a personal nature coming from a patient to a nurse.
I stated, IMHO, that Christians were happy and wanted others to be too! (and before anyone states that they know Christians who are not happy, please consider that maybe they are not Christians, have fallen away from their walk, or were never nutured in their walk to begin with, didn't grow, remained infants or even whithered and died)
This doesn't imply, nor is there any need to infer from that statement that people who are not Christian are not happy. And to me, for someone to infer that seems a little defensive.
I didn't say anything about shoving anything down anyones throat, first of all, because I wasn't dicussing my own "religious" beliefs, I was asked a hypothetical question by Rainbowskye, and I was answering, and have a right to that opinion, just like you do yours.
If people love chocolate ice cream, they might want to serve it to everybody around, but are not "offended" if someone chooses not to have any, or says, well, I HATE chocolate ice cream.
Now I've tried to be as friendly as I know how to answer these questions, but how about if I weren't? (Besides not showing a very good example of a Christian)
Think about it this way, what if I got really defensive and thought you were impying that I was dumb as a can of paint just becuase you asked me if I watched Nick and Jessica or America's Top Model last night? I mean, that would HAVE to be what you were saying between the lines right?
Oh, it isn't? Why not? If you think my happiness as a Chrisitan implies that I think there is something wrong with anyone who isn't, isn't that the same thing as above? If not, why not?
Do you really think that's what I said??? Anywhere??? (If so, please show me)
I hope I have covered all the questions or remarks directed at me. I know I won't have time to persue this thread much more in depth, because I know that these types of issues are never resolved to anyone's satisfaction, and can go on and on forever, with no real winners.
It has never been my intention to be DELIBERATELY offensive to anyone, ever, (since becoming a Christian that is, before, well, phew, I"ll tell ya about it one on one if you want to know) so if I have, please show me exactly where so I can respond.
Thank you and God bless, whether you believe in Him or not, He still loves you. Why should it offend anyone to be loved?