Reborn

I think you are thinking right. I think 6-9 mos is more than enough time to know that as an RN, one is RESPONSIBLE for one’s patient’s. DUH! That is something you learn in school. My preceptor didn’t tell me??? What a lame excuse. Does she have to be told to come in out of the rain? That’s a very dangerous statement to make, about not asking for help because of personal PRIDE, tsk, very, very poor judgment, and very scary. Not sure who is more “a little off” than the other, the nurse or the patient. I think the patient has mental health issues like passive aggression to do what she did, but no matter, the “customer is ALWAYS right”, it’s the nurses fault. :icon_roll I only hope no one was at the desk. Any kind of criticism should ALWAYS be done in private. But lastly, I don’t think “telling the doc” is in any way related. First of all it would be HIPPA violation, unless he was the attending, (she just worked for him, right?) Second, IMO, docs are not our friends. If you want “tell” somebody, (or even if you don’t), this is an incident report IMO and to be carried up the NURSING chain of command, especially with little missy’s pass the buck, make excuses, blame game attitude, very dangerous.

Actually, more likely the local moron brothers getting into over a football game and one shot the other in the gut. I was very burnt out OR nurse and also not a Christian when I was called in for such as that, and jerk-boy had the audacity to c/o that he hadn't eaten dinner yet! I told him tough @#$%, thanks to him, neither had I.:rotfl: Would be a liitle kinder and gentler now, I'd tell him "tough turkey":D

These a few a little more tongue in cheek (maybe ) You advocate airiel spraying of prozac. You are able to identify the postive teeth-to-tattoo ratio. You think a Xanax "salt-lick" should be put in the waiting room. You ever wanted to hold a seminar called "Sucide: getting it right the first time" You have your "week-end off" planned a year in advance. When the doc asks the drunk guy "how much have you had to drink tonight,?" you hold up 2 fingers. I knew a bunch more once upon a time, but you know that ole "old-timers" is kickin' in :rotfl:

Ditto NC. But it is a problem. The CNA's in home health or even the personal care aides, which in some companies are simply OFF THE STREET help , just LOVE to call themselves nurses. I'm not even really too polite, I just say, "you mean Nurse's aide?".

I agree too, that this is usually a good thing. Except when you get a couple of brain surgeons who think they are para-gods like my sis did after she delivered at home COMPLETELY unattended. When 911 arrived they want to separate my sis and niece saying one was a life threatening emergency, but the other wasn't and would have to go by private. :icon_roll (Can't remember now which was which). Didn't matter, my sis, God love her, put her foot down.....WENT OFF!!!! Telling them more or less she didn't know what moon they fell off of, but she and baby were going NOWHERE unless together, they transported both...911.

Oh yes, we are definitely obligated, not only legally but ethically, (notice I didn't say morally, can't impose our own moral standard on anyone else, right?) to report suspected abuse, but as defined by law, not of our own judgement. That's why I was curious as to what exactly were the laws in the state where this is happening. It's a heartbreaking situation, as are so many now-a-days.(2 Timothy 3:1-9)

On this I totally agree. I did correctional nursing for 4 yrs and the prison's are full of the results of this kind of "background", caused by the parents "lifestyle choices" and "parenting styles". But as to the drawing lines, well, if there are no moral absolutes, then who can decide where to draw the lines? With "minor" children, one would assume. So, I'm very interested to know, what are the laws where these "families" live, and how are they circumventing them, if they are? (If that was explained and I overlooked it, please forgive the question) As nurses, while on duty, we must care for and respect cultural differences, even to those who have broken the law, or have been accused of it. But on our own time, we can be activists against those things we don't agree with.

Yes, there are many different "groups" of people with different "lifestyles" all across the country who are living on welfare and medicaid dollars paid in by those of us that work and care for them. But if we condone a society of political correctness where everything goes, then I guess that's the price we pay for it. I mean, if we don't draw the line anywhere, then we CAN'T draw the line anywhere. I think open honesty in communication is best, my faith teaches me to love my neighbor, but I don't have to love their "lifestyle" to care for them respectfully and compassionately. If we are not sure how to address people, I think it's best, as has been mentioned, to just ask for their preference in obviously sincere way. Most people recognize sincerity.

:rotfl: In what order?? :rotfl:

What IS it about then? AzMic: You asked about giving up my God. I really didn't read the question of the original post or the one I was asked as such. But even if so, no, nothing puts me off on the job, number one, becuase it's my job, period. I am paid to accept others opinions. In my personal life, put off?, No, sorry, I would only feel sad that they didn't know the joy that I know, in my Lord. Again, why would anyone infer that this means I must think others have no joy? I really don't understand that. You ask what if the tables were turned? I'm not sure what that means, but if it means what I understand, they are turned, daily, almost constantly, and that was one of the points of my posts. Christians live in a secular world. Everything that ISN'T Christian surrounds me daily, but that's Ok, I don't even mind. I have what I want surrounding me in my own sanctuary of my home and my church. What in particular in my post was "uncalled for"? I would be glad to revisit and reconsider my statements, but they may not change. However, with just that general accusation, I can't respond. Sorry for the typo Tweety, what I meant was that none of us have the right to be not offended. If your beliefs offend me and vice versa, oh well. That's why we live in America. But my employer is not paying me to discuss my POV with his clients. Also, I'm confused about you describing our society as "Christian dominated" By what are you measuring with? All the media is secular, (with exception of the dreaded "televangelists" :uhoh21: ) , and not even conservative. All around the country, cities are removing Christian's symbols, the sanctity of life is not upheld,etc. So how is it that Christianity is dominant? And as far as "what church do you go to?", I think that's a "social" question as often as a spiritual one, unfortunately. Not meant to be any more offensive that, say, "where did you go to college". So why do people get upset by that? AzMich, If you will re-read some of the thread that includes my posts, you will notice that my POV was related to the original question posted in the thread as I understood it: IE: a "religious" question or statement of a personal nature coming from a patient to a nurse. I stated, IMHO, that Christians were happy and wanted others to be too! (and before anyone states that they know Christians who are not happy, please consider that maybe they are not Christians, have fallen away from their walk, or were never nutured in their walk to begin with, didn't grow, remained infants or even whithered and died) This doesn't imply, nor is there any need to infer from that statement that people who are not Christian are not happy. And to me, for someone to infer that seems a little defensive. I didn't say anything about shoving anything down anyones throat, first of all, because I wasn't dicussing my own "religious" beliefs, I was asked a hypothetical question by Rainbowskye, and I was answering, and have a right to that opinion, just like you do yours. If people love chocolate ice cream, they might want to serve it to everybody around, but are not "offended" if someone chooses not to have any, or says, well, I HATE chocolate ice cream. Now I've tried to be as friendly as I know how to answer these questions, but how about if I weren't? (Besides not showing a very good example of a Christian) Think about it this way, what if I got really defensive and thought you were impying that I was dumb as a can of paint just becuase you asked me if I watched Nick and Jessica or America's Top Model last night? I mean, that would HAVE to be what you were saying between the lines right? Oh, it isn't? Why not? If you think my happiness as a Chrisitan implies that I think there is something wrong with anyone who isn't, isn't that the same thing as above? If not, why not? Do you really think that's what I said??? Anywhere??? (If so, please show me) I hope I have covered all the questions or remarks directed at me. I know I won't have time to persue this thread much more in depth, because I know that these types of issues are never resolved to anyone's satisfaction, and can go on and on forever, with no real winners. It has never been my intention to be DELIBERATELY offensive to anyone, ever, (since becoming a Christian that is, before, well, phew, I"ll tell ya about it one on one if you want to know) so if I have, please show me exactly where so I can respond. Thank you and God bless, whether you believe in Him or not, He still loves you. Why should it offend anyone to be loved?

I guess we posted at about the same time, while I was expanding my last post. Thank you for asking my opinion. Well, I have never really thought about that question from the POV you ask. I have always felt most people ask that because they are so happy to be saved that they just want everyone to be. I really don't think they mean to make anyone feel bad, that is if THEY are truly saved they don't. Because if THEY are truly saved, it means they are trying to become more like Christ and less like a person who just lives in the flesh. (selfish, self-centered, materialistic, hedonistic, etc.) That is what it is about, this personal saving relationship with Jesus. So they truly want the best as they believe it for other people. I mean if someone had the cure for a specific illness, wouldn't they want to "shout it from the roof-tops?" I have never asked anyone if they were saved, but b/f I was, it offended me to be asked, because it CONVICTED me.( Now, I'm not going to get into a big debate about that remark, remember I said ME, not you.) But not as "a nurse". Many people say things that offend, but when we are caregiving we are being PAID to put up with it. Be offended on your own time. Or like I said b/f, better yet, grow up! I have, however, asked someone(s) if they would like to receive Christ as their personal Savior, but only after developing that type of relationship, not just randomly asking. And just like with anything else, your "gut" (heart) tells you when that would be "appropriate". As far as your question about a Christian "not wanting a non-Christian caregiver", can't imagine anyone not wanting a caring, compassionate nurse to be rendering their care, be he/she Christian, Jew, Zen, Atheist, whatever. And all of these can be caring and compassionate, moral and ethical people. Christianlity is a Personal relationship, not "religion". And PS:, what you said about letting you know I'm a Christian, oh yes, most definitely, because, you see, I was dead and now I live. But "proud of it" isn't exactly right, Christianity is about humility, but joy. I'm so HAPPY to say I'm a Christian, that's all. Others have their own choice, and I respect that. If they are unhappy, and their beliefs are not working for them, and ask about mine, I would be more than happy to share them. But for this thread and many more like it on other boards just amazes me, that people complain about how the Christian worldview offends them. Sorry, but none of us have a right not to be offended, that's the most ridiculous concept of the modern world. Other people's secular view may very well offend me, but I put up with it quietly day in, day out, all day long (until I "go off" like in my previous thread) Most music, TV etc, offends me and about makes me want to hurl, but do I spend all day talking about it???? No, I love people in spite of these things. I always liked the Eagles song: Victim of this Victim of that Your momma's too thin and your Daddy's too fat Get over it!

Most people? Sorry, but how do you figure that? Isn't that your own opinion? Why project what you think on "most people". Sorry, but I find that offensive. And you know what else? This whole thread is pretty ridiculous. You all that have been posting may be all caught up in it, but coming here after days away and reading how a simple legitimate question about the best way to handle a question from a patient has wandered all into......well, whatever it is now, which is sad. Does anyone really think that for a patient to ask you about your faith or lack there of is a violation of some "right" of yours???? I almost fell out of my chair at that. You can believe in ugly pink monkeys if you think that will help you any, but when you are speaking with a patient(excuse while I be un-PC and yell):IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU.....GET OVER IT Calmly, professionally, and if you have a heart, kindly or sweetly tell them like a few on here with some sense have said, "I really should not share my feelings on this matter, I am here solely to help YOU, can I get your Pastor or a Chaplain, ?? etc...." Puleeze...... :icon_roll

:rotfl: NNUUHHH-UUHHHH!!!!!!!!! :rotfl:

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: they're everywhere, they're everywhere :rotfl:

As unbelievable as it is, I actually saw this in a 200 bed hospital. It was on the med-surg floor, and buddy roe's head nor feet would not touch the bed when the bed was flattened, from being in a hi-fowler's dead for ????(how long????who knows) :smackingf Not only that, but the moron's who were coding the poor stiff, were running around in the usual hand trembling, wild-eyed, chicken with heads cut off mode that they ALWAYS ran codes with. (1989, ACL what?) Don't know if it's changed, Thank God for making a way out of hell for me. :yelclap: