Former co-worker reported to BON

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I just got a call from a former co-worker who is asking me for a character reference. We were both new-ish nurses when we started working together, and she had numerous problems at the facility. She was very boisterious, and had a potty mouth at the nurse's station. She's not the only nurse known to swear at work, but she tends to be loud.

She had a write up over the swearing. No compliants were made by staff, residents, or family--she was heard by a manager and was written up. IMO, this was likely unfair d/t the fact that most of the staff have heard swearing by virtually every manager. I've never heard another manager write up staff for swearing even though it has happened.

Her second write up was about her treatment of a CNA. The problem, IMO, was that this CNA's mother got her the job (Mom is also a CNA, has worked at the facility for a long time), and the daughter CNA was very insubordinate. The nurse asked for help from other nurses (myself included) on how to handle the situation with her. She asked management for help in how to handle the situation. She was told that the CNA was not the problem, that the nurse was the problem and that she needed to correct her own attitude first. For the record, the CNA was eventually fired for insubordination, poor work ethic (calling in a lot, showing up late, etc). From what I saw, the CNA was insubordinate and needed the write up, not the nurse. The nurse had asked for help and ended up with a write up!

The final write up that resulted in her firing was an incident between her and a combative, resistive resident. She offered to let the resident hit her if it would make her feel better. It was reported by the CNA (the mother of the insubordinate CNA) that she was shaking her butt in the face of the resident. She also stated that the nurse said something about the resident's attitude. There are a few details that I'm leaving out but that is the gist of the situation.

I have no first hand knowledge of the incident that resulted in the firing.

It's now 18 months later. She's working as a nurse, she's back on her feet, and she gets a letter from the board of nursing. She needs to respond within 10 days. The letter lists the swearing, the write up for treatment of a co-worker, and the incident of shaking her butt in a resident's face.

She would like a character reference, and I want to help her. However, I am now a manager at this facility and am hesitant. Any advice for her or for me? Any potential conflict with me writing a personal (not as a manager of our facility) type of reference? Will my employer find out if I do?

Is there a time frame on this sort of thing? How long do employers have to report to the board of nursing? Is there a statute of limitations on such things?

I think you should consider what you personally observed and perceived when working directly with her and exclude hearsay or information she has relayed to you. If you can honestly say, after working directly with her, that she is a good nurse and a credit to the field based on working side by side with her, then why wouldn't you want to put that on paper?

i am not grasping WHAT she was reported to the board for???? is she confident the letter is genuine?

Professionalism...or lack thereof

In my state it is actually written into the NPA, not just an abstract concept anymore.

Professionalism...or lack thereof

In my state it is actually written into the NPA, not just an abstract concept anymore.

then ED nurses are at risk! and what is your states definition?

Specializes in Med-Surg/Peds/O.R./Legal/cardiology.

O.R. nurses are at risk too...as well as every nurse I KNOW who defends themselves in the face of every obstacle we face everyday! That includes arrogant, condescending, non-caring MDs and upper management who has no CLUE what is going on.

Specializes in LTC/Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care.

I have not shared any identifiying details.

I posted here to see if anyone could give any insight about if I could or could not help her, seeing that I still work for the company that fired her.

Second, I was wondering if anyone knew of limitations on how long the BON has to investigate, and/or how long an employer has to make a report to the BON.

Can my employer find out if who the people are who stand up for her?

Finally, I'm looking for info on if my emplyer would find any information on how this works out for her.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think it's really inappropriate to post such intimate details about why someone was reported to the BON? She asked the OP for help, and the OP comes here and lays out all the details of why she was reported? Something doesn't feel right about that to me.
Specializes in LTC/Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care.

I do not doubt that the letter is genuine. I did not see it, but she said it was from the BoN, had the address, etc. She was shocked since it has been well over a year since she was fired. It doesn't seem right to me that this can come up after so long. I want to know when she was reported, and how long it sat at the BON before she got the letter.

Essentially, it was for unprofessional behavior but the letter laid out the three instances that she was written up for, the last one caused her to be fired.

i am not grasping WHAT she was reported to the board for???? is she confident the letter is genuine?
Specializes in LTC/Rehab, Med Surg, Home Care.

I know, that is what I am struggling with. I really do want to help her, but if I can help her anonymously I would rather do that, if that makes sense.

Think really hard about this, then do what you feel is best. You can not write anything from the management standpoint because that was not the relationship at the time. If you do not want to jeopardize yourself with the employer, then tell the nurse that is the situation. You are not obligated. But do remember that it could easily be you looking for the reference.

I am just astonished at how nursing denies, removes, takes away- it's nurses rights to their own human emotion and civil rights. I think it's high time nurses start sueing their managers and workplaces. In the real world- since nursing (ha,ha) managers like to model themselves after bigwig business/corporate types- if the same individual was working for macy's or wal mart- thoses places would be sued for this kind of shananigans we have to endure- until it makes us ill- HTN,MI,CVA's PTSD just to name a few.

I'm also astonishe the managers haven't been assualted by their nurses for their abusive tactics. I guess the managers feel we can't fight back-If the manager were to treat their spouses the way they treat us- the spouses would leave.

It was ridiculous that she was reported to the BON. I'm sure they are just thrilled to have to deal with this petty crap. It seems you feel for the nurse and that this was unfair and she was railroaded by your employer. I would write the letter. It's the right thing to do and if you were on the other side you would hope someone would come to your aid as well.

An anonymous letter will not help in this circumstance. You could however include in your letter what your feelings and support in regards to this nurse but that you are presently still employed by these people and would appreciate their discretion. That's honest and fair.

Chances are it did sit for a bit at BON. I can't imagine this idiocy is at the top of their list. Tell her to bring a lawyer. My guess is in the end BON will see this fo the pettiness it truly is.

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