Flu shot facts

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We care for a large population of patients of various kinds in our practice and we encourage everyone to get a flu shot. We also encourage the staff to get a flu shot since we are exposed to all the various kinds of "germies" that are out there in the winter months.

So now that we are talking about the flu shot we are already hearing all the crap and misinformation from the public about the shot...but even worse, some of our healthcare "professionals" are also saying stuff that is wrong, false or just in error. Usually I don't get to the point of pulling my hair out over hearing all this misinformation until late October but this year I am already gritting my teeth. So for everyones general information, here are the FACTS about the influenza vaccine:

FLU- is influenza. It is not a cold, it is not a stomach virus that lasts 24-48 hours and consists of nausea, vomiting or diarrhea.

Flu is a serious illness that consists of severe body aches and fatigue, chills, fever, sore throat, dry cough, nasal congestion, and sometimes, mild nausea or diarrhea. The average American who gets the flu misses 4 or more days of work and feels badly for another 5 days.

The influenza vaccine is 70-90% effective in preventing the flu in young, healthy adults. It can reduce influenza-related death in the elderly by as much as 80%

Palache AM, "Influenza vaccines: a reappraisal of their use.", Drugs 54:841-56, 1997

FLU is a dangerous illness. Millions of people in the United States-about 5% to 20% of U.S. residents-will get influenza each year. An average of about 36,000 people per year in the United States DIE from influenza, and 114,000 per year have to be admitted to the hospital as a result of influenza.

U.S.Center for Disease Control 2004

The FLU shot REALLY works-Those who take the flu shot can expect to have 25% fewer episodes of the flu and other upper respiratory infections, take 43% fewer absences due to illness and have 44% fewer visits to the doctor during the flu season.

New England Journal of Medicine 1995

The FLU shot WILL NOT CAUSE YOU TO GET THE FLU!!!

I don't care what you have heard, I don't care what you have experienced. The viruses in the vaccine ARE DEAD. It cannot give you the flu. If you got a flu shot and then came down with cold symptoms, it wasn't because of the flu shot...it was coincidence, not cause and effect. It takes 2 weeks to develop full immunity to the flu after you get the shot. That's why you take it in early October and flu doesn't have it's greatest activity until December (usually).

Also, it is possible that you might take a shot and still get the flu. But you will feel like you have a cold instead of being on your butt for 2 weeks. That's because a flu shot will still offer partial protection even if you are infected with a completely different strain of flu than is in the vaccine this year.

CDC, 12/03

The FLU shot is very safe- It is so safe it is even being recommended for pregnant women, nursing mothers and babies.

"Vaccines in pregnancy". Munoz FM - Infect Dis Clin North Am

It's better to take the Flu Shot than to wait until you have the disease and take antivirals. The flu shot is about $20.00 from commercial flu clinics, is usually free when taken at work and costs only your copay when you go to your doctor. The antivirals only work if you start them within 48 hours after the onset of symptoms, you will still miss a day or so of work because the meds only shorten the flu, not eliminate it. The antivirals only work against the A strain of flu virus, they are very expensive (approx. $75 to $150 per RX, depending upon how long you are on it).

Get your FLU shot-your heart will thank you!- Two studies suggest that a flu shot might protect you not only against the misery of the flu, but against a heart attack or stroke as well.

Harvard Heart Letter | October 2002

Sorry this was so long!

Now with that said, PLEASE be responsible in what you say both at work and to your friends and neighbors. People listen to you because they know you are a nurse and they trust your judgement. My 80 year old neighbor would never get a flu shot because her 55 year old LVN dtr told her she would get the flu if she took it. Last year she did get the flu, she ended up in the hospital with pneumonia, a UTI, a decubitus and confusion. And she never came home. She had been living on her own and doing well. Now she is in a nursing home and her dtr gripes about how much it cost to keep her there...a $20.00 flu shot and a $40.00 pneumonia shot would have prevented it.

What a shame!!!

a question because i really don't know and i have a neighbor who is in my class that insists that this is true....is there mercury in the flu shot? and what are the implications if there is?

thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative found in vaccines. it is also found in many contact lens solutions. i have had horrible reactions to thimerosal in the lens solutions, which may account for my weakened immunity after receiving vaccines. i did not find out what had been causing all my problems until i spoke with my opthamologist about my lens solutions - after using what he had given me, it felt like acid had been poured in my eyes. he said the thimerosal had caused an inflammatory reaction and that i should stay away from solutions that contain it.

thimerosal metabolizes in the body to [color=#333333]ethyl mercury and thiosalicylate. it can (not always does, but can) cause mercury poisoning and has been linked to autism in children, particularly infants - as they lack the ability to eliminate mercury from their bodies. vaccines have also been linked to autoimmune disorders in adults, particularly rheumatoid arthritis.

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check out this link for information about class-action lawsuits regarding autism due to mercury poisoning.

http://www.monheit.com/thimerosal/t_overview.shtml

the food and drug administration (fda) also has information about autism due to mercury toxicity in children from thimerosal.

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimerosal.htm

http://www.fda.gov/cber/vaccine/thimfaq.htm

I am getting the flu shot. I guess I am not "afraid" of it and I really feel like I am doing right by my residents and staff by not carrying the flu into the workplace.:) I have different feelings about immunizations in immature immune systems in childhood....:uhoh3:

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative found in vaccines. It is also found in many contact lens solutions. I have had horrible reactions to thimerosal in the lens solutions, which may account for my weakened immunity after receiving vaccines.

An allergy to thimerosal is an absolute contraindication to receiving the flu shot.

thimerosal metabolizes in the body to [color=#333333]ethyl mercury and thiosalicylate. it can (not always does, but can) cause mercury poisoning and has been linked to autism in children, particularly infants. ... vaccines have also been linked to autoimmune disorders in adults, particularly rheumatoid arthritis.

thimerosal-containing vaccines and autistic spectrum disorder: a critical review of published original data.

pediatrics. 2004 sep;114(3):793-804.

detection of antinuclear and antilaminin antibodies in autistic children who received thimerosal-containing vaccines.

j biomed sci. 2004 sep-oct;11(5):607-10.

autism and dpt vaccination in the united kingdom.

n engl j med. 2004 jun 24;350(26):2722-3.

a rough summary of those articles is: there is no causation between thimerosal-containing vaccine and autism.

as for the second claim about the association between ra and vaccine, the closest article i can find is:

autoimmune diseases and vaccinations.

eur j dermatol. 2004 mar-apr;14(2):86-90. review.

now i have never read european journal of dermatology so i don't know anything about the quality of the papers (and the rigor of peer-review) of the journal. a summary of the above review article states "the available evidence derived from several negative epidemiological studies is reassuring and at least indicates that vaccines are not a major cause of autoimmune diseases." (vial et al., eur j dermatol.)

a small study in mexico to measure the effectiveness of flu shot and people w/ sle (lupus) along with measurements to see if there is a corresponding increase in autoimmune antibodies.

influenza vaccination of patients with systemic lupus erythematosus.

rev invest clin. 2004 jan-feb;56(1):16-20

the result - antibody against the 3 strains of influenza increase (but overall the results were lower than healthy women). the mean disease (sle) and anti-ds dna antibody decrease. now the study has several flaws. first, small sample size (n=18). second, it's not a double-blinded test. third - no control group.

This site is put together by a doctor who pushes his views, and his products for sale, on the front page -- I didn't read any further.
Ummm...what do you think the pharmaceutical companies are doing?

Reckon Dr. Mercola (the running joke) is making those ingredients up?

I suppose he is automatically a "quack" because he does not happen to agree with what has conventionally been taught?

To be honest, I am not all that familiar with Dr. Mercola, but was referring to the page because another poster wanted to know the kinds of ingredients in a vaccine.

The thing with him is he's lumping vaccines all together. I don't see a lot of differentiation between each type of vaccine. He implies that all those ingredients are in all vaccines, and that just is not true.

And is his product FDA approved? How many trials has it undergone for safety and efficacy?

Specializes in Med-Surg, Wound Care.

"And is his product FDA approved? How many trials has it undergone for safety and efficacy?"

Don't even make me go there!!!! FDA approved means nothing. Look at the SSRI clinical trial suppression. Where was the FDA then?? The state of clinical trials in this country is the drug company can do clinical trials and then pick which ones get shown to the FDA. Bad trial, goes in the drawer- good trial gets presented. The FDA is rubber stamping new drugs and taking years to tabulate the "Adverse reaction" reporting by consumers, putting thousands at risk. Yes ,I am a health professional, but I'm not about to blindly take a drug just because its FDA approved, or a vaccine because "Its what a responsible health professional does". We have educated minds and are capable of analyzing date. When I can see the raw data from all clinical trials, I will be comfortable taking a drug.

Thimerosal is a mercury-containing preservative found in vaccines. It is also found in many contact lens solutions. I have had horrible reactions to thimerosal in the lens solutions, which may account for my weakened immunity after receiving vaccines.

An allergy to thimerosal is an absolute contraindication to receiving the flu shot.

Yes, but if you read the rest of my post, I had no idea that I had an allergy to thimerosal until I consulted with my opthamologist about why my contact lens solution made my eyes burn and asked him to recommend another solution. I had thought it was more along the lines of the citrate or maybe one of the other cleansing ingredients that would have made my eyes burn and that maybe I needed a different preparation. My opth. asked me about what specific products bothered me vs. what did not and came up with thimerosal and phenylcarbinol as the two preservatives that I was unable to tolerate.

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Hi there...

You just reminded me that flu shot season is almost upon us and my whole facility will have to be vaccinated and charted on and I'll be responsible for my unit...ugh! :chuckle

I will never get another flu shot, nor will I recommend one to anybody. I had never had one until last season when my infection control nurse stalked me until I finally gave in. Hours afterward I got a headache like I've never had before. It was on one side of my head and seemed to travel along a nerve path...well that headache lasted for about 3 1/2 months. I can't prove that the flu shot caused it, but I can't rule it out either. It seems like a pretty big coincidence if you ask me. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion, but I'll roll the dice with the flu!

I have been getting flu shots every year for about 4 years with no reaction to the injection. One year I had a bad respiratory infection with strep throat. You know how they always ask you if you are "allergic to eggs?" Well, I'm not, but I had a tremendous allergic reaction at the injection site with a large red bump that took about 3 weeks to go away last year. None of the docs have a clue or answers for me.

The thing that scares me is "are the doctors that knowledgeable about drugs and their reactions, or are they just led around by the nose by the pharmaceutical companies?

mv

Specializes in Emergency & Trauma/Adult ICU.

Is a thermisol-free version of the flu vaccine available? The Hep B vaccine is available in a thermisol-free formula for vaccination of infants less than 2 months of age. Just curious ...

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I have been getting flu shots every year for about 4 years with no reaction to the injection. One year I had a bad respiratory infection with strep throat. You know how they always ask you if you are "allergic to eggs?" Well, I'm not, but I had a tremendous allergic reaction at the injection site with a large red bump that took about 3 weeks to go away last year. None of the docs have a clue or answers for me.

The thing that scares me is "are the doctors that knowledgeable about drugs and their reactions, or are they just led around by the nose by the pharmaceutical companies?

mv

A friend of mine had the exact same reaction to the flu shot last year. Her arm was red and swollen for weeks. Her doctors didn't have any answers either. I wonder what it was?

Specializes in Government.

My work place does flu shots for the employees (I do not administer the program). I don't get a flu shot. Personal choice. As a non-nurse, I oversaw the swine flu vaccine program at my college dorm in the 70's. What a disaster. 2 of my residents got Guilliam-Barre. I know vaccines are better now, etc but I opt out.

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