Flag Staff Medical Hospital RNs to vote....

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I'm with you. And just because some people might have great wages, benefits, and 2:1 ratios, doesn't mean the rest of us do. I'm for a union, unless something better presents itself (and I can't see that in the near future). At least SOMEONE is trying to help! Union dues are cheap compared to the peace of mind it would bring me!!

Amen!

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Specializes in Cardiac.
I'm with you. And just because some people might have great wages, benefits, and 2:1 ratios, doesn't mean the rest of us do. I'm for a union, unless something better presents itself (and I can't see that in the near future). At least SOMEONE is trying to help! Union dues are cheap compared to the peace of mind it would bring me!!

I agree!

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Nurses worked to get the ICU ratio of 1:2 in Arizona.

If your hospital doesn't staff at 2 or fewer patients per nurse they are not in compliance.

http://www.azsos.gov/public_services/Title_09/9-10.htm

Rules of interest:

R9-10-204(4). - Requires hospitals to inform staff how to obtain DHS rules and how to file a complaint about patient care

R9-10-208©(4) - Requires hosptials to use an acuity plan for nurse staffing and to have direct care nurses determine a patient's acuity level.

R9-10-220 - Intensive Care rules including ICU RN staffing.

R9-10-222 - Perinatal services including nursery staffing

http://www.saznc.homestead.com/

http://www.saznc.homestead.com/Mar-Apr_2005_Nurse_Action_web_version.pdf

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Specializes in CVICU, PICU, ER,TRAUMA ICU, HEMODIALYSIS.
I would add that although unions may be more common in other nations, the United States remains a primarily captalistic society and even with our enormous public programs, such as welfare, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, we remain an independent, get it done, stand on your OWN TWO FEET, reward effort and SELF initiative kind of country. THANK GOD!!!!

DC

:wakeneo: since I see that you are from Maricopa county which has the 6 highest number of millionaires living there of all 50 states, I will try to not be too sarcastic or harsh in my response but it is going to be a stretch. FIRST, without unions which arose during the Industrial Revolution in this country in the 1800's when child labor was rampant and 18-20 hour days common, we would still be expected to labor 7 days a week, holidays, unlimited hours, and overtime pay were words that did not exist together as a phrase. Medicare is not a public entitlement program funded by unearned funds. The annual statement I get from Social Security has broken down how much of MY INCOME HAS BEEN SET ASIDE TO HELP PAY FOR MY FUTURE MEDICAL CARE DURING MY RETIREMENT YEARS. Between what my employer and I have contributed, the amount is more than $60,000. Social Security and Medicare is not welfare. And thanks to King George, the enormous public programs that you refer to are more like the teeny, tiny, itsy, bitsy, extremely limited and almost impossible to qualify for programs. In fact, you should be THRILLED TO KNOW, welfare, food stamps and Medicaid combined comprise less than .05 of the Federal Budget and 2% of the Arizona budget.. We do not have a capitalistic society if it means the adjectives you list at the end of your statement; nearly every corporations is subsidized by the federal government, (just like they do in Russia and other Communist countries) when profits fall short due to poor management, inadequate production, bankruptcy, and/or criminal diversion of funds, or when they just fail to "get it done," stand on their own two feet, etc. In fact "CORPORATE WELFARE" COSTS TAXPAYERS BILLIONS ANNUALLY, which is the main reason there is literally no competition for consumer dollars which is the foundation of the success of any capitalistic society. Also, look up the words "ENRON, INC". Their employees worked in good faith that their 401 K monies would be there when they retired; where's the money? GONE!!! Since nearly ALL CORPORATIONS ARE SUBSIDIZED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, WE NO LONGER HAVE A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY; WHAT WE REALLY HAVE IS COMMUNISM WHICH IS A SOCIETY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE BUSINESSES, THE SOCIETY'S RESOURCES, AND THE PEOPLE AS WELL. When it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....................

Corporations now move their production to third world countries to pay workers 50 cents a day instead of paying US workers $18/hour. yet did you ever wonder why then are you paying more than ever for new cars, appliances, clothes, homes, etc.??? I am sure that you think that all US auto workers, steel workers, and other manufacturing workers are greedy, lazy, SOB's too. Of course they should all have gone to college to make more money but you know what? Not every one has that desire. Some people actually like their jobs. And besides, who would work the fast food outlets, the cashiers at Walmart and Safeway, the Hotel clerks, bellboys, waiters, janitors, etc. ??

I don't mean to be rude, but either you are one of the plutocrats who are benefitting from this corrupt and thoroughly evil way of governing, or you have a lot of reading to catch up on. If you are among those who make more than $2 million/year single or $4million/year per couple and had to pay that horrid estate tax that King George is going to do away with so that the 1.7% billionaire creme de la creme won't ever be burdened by that cruel and unfair tax, you are living in the right city, county and state. According to the Annual America's Health Rankings 2005, produced coooperatively by the United Health Foundation, the American Public Health Association, and the Partnership for Prevention, www.unitedhealthfoundation.org, Arizona ranks 31st out of the 50 states in health care which is a drop from 23rd in 2004 so things are worse for us all. Arizona ranks 40th in number of people lacking health care, 39th in infectious disease cases per 100,000, 43rd in the number of children in poverty which is 21.1% of the kids, 43rd in adequacy of prenatal care, 40th in immunization coverage, 44th in motor vehicle deaths, 38th in violent crime, and 44th in per capita Public Health spending which is an anemic $81 per person as compared to Indiana which is ranked overall at 32 and spends $117 per person; which ranks 34th in child poverty, 25th in people lacking health insurance, 17th in infectious disease per 100,000, 31st in adequate prenatal care, 38th in immunization coverage, 22nd in violent crime, 16th in motor vehicle deaths, and 34th in per capita Public Health Spending which as noted is $117.

Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Mexico are all worse than Arizona so you might want to move to one of them one day. You definitely do not want to go to any of the Healthiest States which include Minnesota, Vermont, and New Hampshire because a more humane approach toward its citizenry is bound to cost.

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:wakeneo: since I see that you are from Maricopa county which has the 6 highest number of millionaires living there of all 50 states, I will try to not be too sarcastic or harsh in my response but it is going to be a stretch. FIRST, without unions which arose during the Industrial Revolution in this country in the 1800's when child labor was rampant and 18-20 hour days common, we would still be expected to labor 7 days a week, holidays, unlimited hours, and overtime pay were words that did not exist together as a phrase. Medicare is not a public entitlement program funded by unearned funds. The annual statement I get from Social Security has broken down how much of MY INCOME HAS BEEN SET ASIDE TO HELP PAY FOR MY FUTURE MEDICAL CARE DURING MY RETIREMENT YEARS. Between what my employer and I have contributed, the amount is more than $60,000. Social Security and Medicare is not welfare. And thanks to King George, the enormous public programs that you refer to are more like the teeny, tiny, itsy, bitsy, extremely limited and almost impossible to qualify for programs. In fact, you should be THRILLED TO KNOW, welfare, food stamps and Medicaid combined comprise less than .05 of the Federal Budget and 2% of the Arizona budget.. We do not have a capitalistic society if it means the adjectives you list at the end of your statement; nearly every corporations is subsidized by the federal government, (just like they do in Russia and other Communist countries) when profits fall short due to poor management, inadequate production, bankruptcy, and/or criminal diversion of funds, or when they just fail to "get it done," stand on their own two feet, etc. In fact "CORPORATE WELFARE" COSTS TAXPAYERS BILLIONS ANNUALLY, which is the main reason there is literally no competition for consumer dollars which is the foundation of the success of any capitalistic society. Also, look up the words "ENRON, INC". Their employees worked in good faith that their 401 K monies would be there when they retired; where's the money? GONE!!! Since nearly ALL CORPORATIONS ARE SUBSIDIZED BY THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT FOR ONE REASON OR ANOTHER, WE NO LONGER HAVE A CAPITALISTIC SOCIETY; WHAT WE REALLY HAVE IS COMMUNISM WHICH IS A SOCIETY WHERE THE GOVERNMENT CONTROLS THE BUSINESSES, THE SOCIETY'S RESOURCES, AND THE PEOPLE AS WELL. When it looks like a duck, and walks like a duck, and quacks like a duck....................

Corporations now move their production to third world countries to pay workers 50 cents a day instead of paying US workers $18/hour. yet did you ever wonder why then are you paying more than ever for new cars, appliances, clothes, homes, etc.??? I am sure that you think that all US auto workers, steel workers, and other manufacturing workers are greedy, lazy, SOB's too. Of course they should all have gone to college to make more money but you know what? Not every one has that desire. Some people actually like their jobs. And besides, who would work the fast food outlets, the cashiers at Walmart and Safeway, the Hotel clerks, bellboys, waiters, janitors, etc. ??

I don't mean to be rude, but either you are one of the plutocrats who are benefitting from this corrupt and thoroughly evil way of governing, or you have a lot of reading to catch up on. If you are among those who make more than $2 million/year single or $4million/year per couple and had to pay that horrid estate tax that King George is going to do away with so that the 1.7% billionaire creme de la creme won't ever be burdened by that cruel and unfair tax, you are living in the right city, county and state. According to the Annual America's Health Rankings 2005, produced coooperatively by the United Health Foundation, the American Public Health Association, and the Partnership for Prevention, www.unitedhealthfoundation.org, Arizona ranks 31st out of the 50 states in health care which is a drop from 23rd in 2004 so things are worse for us all. Arizona ranks 40th in number of people lacking health care, 39th in infectious disease cases per 100,000, 43rd in the number of children in poverty which is 21.1% of the kids, 43rd in adequacy of prenatal care, 40th in immunization coverage, 44th in motor vehicle deaths, 38th in violent crime, and 44th in per capita Public Health spending which is an anemic $81 per person as compared to Indiana which is ranked overall at 32 and spends $117 per person; which ranks 34th in child poverty, 25th in people lacking health insurance, 17th in infectious disease per 100,000, 31st in adequate prenatal care, 38th in immunization coverage, 22nd in violent crime, 16th in motor vehicle deaths, and 34th in per capita Public Health Spending which as noted is $117.

Tennessee, Louisiana, Mississippi, and New Mexico are all worse than Arizona so you might want to move to one of them one day. You definitely do not want to go to any of the Healthiest States which include Minnesota, Vermont, and New Hampshire because a more humane approach toward its citizenry is bound to cost.

Wow - you really hit the nail on the head. See my previous post - "uh...ok." I was just too lazy going head to head with yet another uninformed Republican type. In fact, I have often found that the people who screech the most about standing on their own two feet are precisely the types you find over-extending themselves (i.e.: think interest only mortgage), only to avail themselves of bankruptcy courts, whining that their kids do not qualify for federal college aid (heaven forbid they should actually save), and spending their federal income tax refunds (middle class welfare) with great gusto. The "we stand on our own two feet types" would be horrified if they actually had to live within a real libertarian political environment. In fact, King George has done a wonderful of job of beefing up "corporate welfare" at the expense of middle class America, while spinning his domestic social agenda in a cloud of pseudo-relgious speak that appeals to the god-fearing masses - probably a subject best debated elsewhere.

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A reliance on foreign labor in any field is not healthy for a nation. Another problem with immigrant citizens is the shuttling of money out of the United States. As an example, illegal immigration is one of Mexico's leading exports that bring money into their country.

I want immigrant nurses to have the same pay for the same work. Hopefully the nurses will welcome a life here in the United States, become stable members of a community and invest in the community around them rather than being an export product of a host country.

I agree.

...and to add to the other posters...no one here hates foreign nurses, some of us are just frustrated by the situation. I would feel less frustrated if foreign nurses were hired to help out in a "true" nursing shortage. Instead, hospitals (think Florida) are lobbying to open the floodgates for foreign nurses so they won't be forced to pay U.S. nurses the wages they deserve so they'll stay in the nursing profession.

450,000 RNs licensed but not working minus 150,000 open nursing positions = a surplus of 300,000 nurses.

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I agree.

...and to add to the other posters...no one here hates foreign nurses, some of us are just frustrated by the situation. I would feel less frustrated if foreign nurses were hired to help out in a "true" nursing shortage. Instead, hospitals (think Florida) are lobbying to open the floodgates for foreign nurses so they won't be forced to pay U.S. nurses the wages they deserve so they'll stay in the nursing profession.

450,000 RNs licensed but not working minus 150,000 open nursing positions = a surplus of 300,000 nurses.

yep.

;)

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An official with the National Labor Review Board has ruled that administrators at Flagstaff Medical Center repeatedly violated labor laws weeks before nurses voted whether to unionize...

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Specializes in Med Surg, Telemetry, Orthopedics.
An official with the National Labor Review Board has ruled that administrators at Flagstaff Medical Center repeatedly violated labor laws weeks before nurses voted whether to unionize...

WAHOO!!!:monkeydance: Excellent news!! Thanks for keeping us up to speed, spacenurse!

:barf02:

Take THAT, FAMC admin!

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An official with the National Labor Review Board has ruled that administrators at Flagstaff Medical Center repeatedly violated labor laws weeks before nurses voted whether to unionize...

WAHOO!!!:monkeydance: Excellent news!! Thanks for keeping us up to speed, spacenurse!

:barf02:

Take THAT, FAMC admin!

You are VERY welcome.

Modern Healthcare published a paragraph:

NLRB region rules for union in Ariz. Election

http://www.modernhealthcare.com/news.cms?newsId=5613&potId=BN

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Specializes in Med/Surg, Progressive Tele.

St Joe nurses tried to Unionize a coupe of time and failed every single time.. :smiley_ab

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