Fired for refusing??

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  1. Did you refuse the Flu shot this year?

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Thoughts on employer mandatory Flu vaccine...

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
A choice with consequences is not eating something offered in the cafeteria and going hungry for the rest of the day. Coercion is being told to inject yourself with something or loose your livelihood.

First, it's LOSE your livelihood, not "loose" it.

If NOT being vaccinated is that important to you, perhaps you'll want to look for employment somewhere that doesn't mandate it.

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
Um not quite...

Like I've said before, it is not right to force someone to inject themselves with something that may or may not be effective. And we can go back and force the semantics. People are being coerced to do something they don't feel comfortable with. When applying for the job this wasn't a requirement. However, everything you listed above was.

You wash your hands. It may or may not be effective in reducing germs to the point you where you cannot spread infection. We wear surgical masks that may or may not be effective. We use antiseptic solutions such as chloraprep and betadine that may or may not be effective. We use preoperative antibiotics that may or may not be effective, but if you wash your hands, wear a mask, use an antiseptic solutions, and antibiotics together the rate of surgical site infections are minimal at best.

The same goes for vaccines if one person gets the vaccine then it isn't very effective over all, but if every HCW gets the same vaccine then the chances of getting the infection drops dramatically. Then if you combine standard precautions and antiviral medications to that the chances of spreading the flu become insignificant in the hospital/nursing environment.

Again the effectiveness rate for flu vaccines in healthy adults is 50-90%.

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Oh, come on.

Let's say your employer requires the flu shot and you refuse to have it. You are not left with "losing your livelihood". You have choices:

1. You can speak to HR and try to convince them to make an exception. Even if that fails and you lose your job, you can

2. Look for a nursing job at a facility that doesn't require the shot

3. Get a non-nursing job

You are being very dramatic in what appears to be an attempt to avoid the consequences of your own decision.

I'm not being dramatic. This is coercion.

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First, it's LOSE your livelihood, not "loose" it.

If NOT being vaccinated is that important to you, perhaps you'll want to look for employment somewhere that doesn't mandate it.

Oooo burn...... :bored:

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
A choice with consequences is not eating something offered in the cafeteria and going hungry for the rest of the day. Coercion is being told to inject yourself with something or loose your livelihood.

It is the flu vaccine. It isn't some unknown toxic substance. The flu vaccine has been proven safe and effective over and over again, and unlike other medications it goes through yearly testing along with constant surveillance like every other vaccine.

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thimerosal and formaldehyde are both substances I want to inject myself with every year.

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Specializes in Adult Internal Medicine.
thimerosal and formaldehyde are both substances I want to inject myself with every year.

You can get flu vaccines without either of these is the dozens of safety studies don't convince you.

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You can get flu vaccines without either of these is the dozens of safety studies don't convince you.

I'm aware I can get the live version. Even better...

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Specializes in Psychiatry, Mental Health.
I'm not being dramatic. This is coercion.

For goodness sake.

It is coercion if you have no choices. You do have choices. It is, therefore, not coercion.

This is just ridiculous. I think it's time for me to unsubscribe from this thread. Bye now.

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For goodness sake.

It is coercion if you have no choices. You do have choices. It is, therefore, not coercion.

This is just ridiculous. I think it's time for me to unsubscribe from this thread. Bye now.

Toodles!

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Specializes in Anesthesia.
I'm not being dramatic. This is coercion.

Yes, you are being dramatic. Every point about flu vaccines that you have made someone has countered with logical explanations and/or peer-reviewed scientific evidence. Your only argument now is that I don't want to so there it is my body...

To recap:

1. The flu shot is effective (50-90%) in healthy adults. Even when it is not that effective it can reduce the overall severity of the flu i.e. this is why it is still recommended that geriatric patients get the flu shot even though their effectiveness rating is often

2. The flu vaccine is extraordinarily safe. This is a proven fact by the millions of flu vaccines given each year with minimal to no side-effects.

3. Most post-marketing vaccine studies are done through government grants/government funding. Pharmaceutical companies have little profit margin by making vaccines and therefor do not spend a lot of money on post-marketing research on vaccines. This in and of itself should deter the conspiracy theory that pharmaceutical companies are "poisoning" us for profit nonsense. This doesn't even mention that millions of people that would have to be in on the conspiracy.

4. The flu vaccine can and does save lives. HCWs that refuse to get the flu shot for personal reasons are a danger to their patients, co-workers, family, and themselves. This isn't being dramatic this is a fact. The flu is not a benign illness. The flu causes tens of thousands of deaths every year and even greater amount of hospitalizations resulting in billions of dollars in healthcare costs that can mostly be controlled by one simple vaccination every year.

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I'm sorry of this offends anyone, but it is clear the age gap and alignment is relevant in this conversation. The 35+ clintonian/carter types clearly eat up and regurgitate anything said to them by authority figures, albeit figures in such reliable organizations as the CDC and FDA (god knows they have a stellar track record of reliability). I'm of the school of thought that where there is money to be made and position advancement available, human nature prevails. I don't believe for a second that the FDA has our best interest in mind, take a look at their top tier roster, and draw some parallels. You'll be happy to know they poached from Novartis quite a bit. Certainly no conflict of interest there :insert sarcasm meter:

The overwhelming amount of people in this thread take the information surrounding vaccination given to them as set in stone truth. Anyone here push Gardasil? Ah. Yes. Let's not talk about that icky topic, move along nothing to see here.

If you buy into it all, well, the world is flat, gun control works, and I have a pet unicorn. The government is here to help you.

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