InTheLongRun 61 Posts Has 17 years experience. May 4, 2020 31 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:You are free to wear a mask or whatever else YOU want. Go around telling others what to wear and what to do, and you're going to have a few expletive-laden words thrown right back at ya.Hmmm. I don't think that's what Patrick Henry meant when he said "Give Me Liberty or Give me Death" to King James .
A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN 408 Posts Specializes in Psych. Has 7 years experience. May 4, 2020 King James? You mean King George, right?
InTheLongRun 61 Posts Has 17 years experience. May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, adventure_rn said:Granted, @A Hit With The Ladies, I know from your prior posts you think this is just "killing off the weakest" and "culling the herd;" I'm guessing you may not feel any personal responsibility for the well-being of the little old lady at the grocery store because her death is inevitable anyway... I see things like that and I often feel this country is just cursed. Also, if people had spent any time in Elmhurst Queens, the original epicenter in NY it would put to bed this myth that only little old folks, or obese trainwrecks are the only one's getting sick and dying. it is a first and second generation hub filled with people from India, Pakistan and South America. They aren't overweight and hypertensive; they're vegetarian, or predominantly so and they probably walked more in a week than most burbians do in six months.
adventure_rn, BSN 1 Article; 1,550 Posts Specializes in NICU, PICU. May 4, 2020 46 minutes ago, InTheLongRun said:I see things like that and I often feel this country is just cursed. Also, if people had spent any time in Elmhurst Queens, the original epicenter in NY it would put to bed this myth that only little old folks, or obese trainwrecks are the only one's getting sick and dying. it is a first and second generation hub filled with people from India, Pakistan and South America. They aren't overweight and hypertensive; they're vegetarian, or predominantly so and they probably walked more in a week than most burbians do in six months.Yeah, I honestly think that the people who are most vulnerable are the people with 'essential,' often lower-paying jobs. They're the ones seeing hundreds of people a day, and they have even fewer protections than nurses. (They also tend to have more comorbid conditions related to living circumstances, rely more on public transit, have fewer PTO/sick days, worse access to healthcare, and many other things that put them at higher risk). However, I like the little old lady example because it's more tangible and empathic; if these people don't care about the well-being of a little old lady, they definitely aren't going to care about the well-being of poor people...Seriously, if you're going to go to the grocery store or get a hair cut, I don't get what the fuss is about. You are putting your hairdresser/cashier/whoever at much higher risk without one. Putting on a mask takes two seconds and can literally save someone's life. Refusing to do so because of a minor discomfort, or just out of principle, seems so selfish.I'm all for re-opening the economy and allowing people to patronize businesses, but if we're going to do it, we need to do it safely. Masks are a cheap, easy way to protect people. I don't understand why people get so fired up about it; they're asking you to put on a mask, not denounce your religion and sacrifice your first-born child. Get a grip. ?
InTheLongRun 61 Posts Has 17 years experience. May 4, 2020 1 hour ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:King James? You mean King George, right?Technically it was given to the Second Virginia Convention in St. John's Church in Richmond, but yes, you are correct.
InTheLongRun 61 Posts Has 17 years experience. May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, adventure_rn said:Yeah, I honestly think that the people who are most vulnerable are the people with 'essential,' often lower-paying jobs. They're the ones seeing hundreds of people a day, and they have even fewer protections than nurses. (They also tend to have more comorbid conditions related to living circumstances, rely more on public transit, have fewer PTO/sick days, worse access to healthcare, and many other things that put them at higher risk). However, I like the little old lady example because it's more tangible and empathic; if these people don't care about the well-being of a little old lady, they definitely aren't going to care about the well-being of poor people...I'm all for re-opening the economy and allowing people to patronize businesses, but if we're going to do it, we need to do it safely. Masks are a cheap, easy way to protect people. I don't understand why people get so fired up about it; they're asking you to put on a mask, not denounce your religion and sacrifice your first-born child. Get a grip. ? Many of the affected in Queens were in solidly middle class jobs with healthy lifestyles. Elmhurst Queens, after all, is not the South Bronx. Certainly public transit would put them in risk of exposure. Yet in many cases the victims were middle-aged folks with decent jobs and no health conditions. Hardly people who were on death's doorstep anyway.I think people have a way of thinking that only poor people or only old people or only people in bad health .. so therefore I'm safe and why do I need to bother with precautions to keep this from burning through the community.
JadedCPN, BSN, RN 1,476 Posts Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU. Has 17 years experience. May 5, 2020 20 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:This is America, not North Korea, not Saudi Arabia. When the government goes around dictating what people must wear in public, we are no longer a free country but a totalitarian one. Here in Houston, this twentysomething county judge said she'd impose a $1000 fine if people weren't wearing masks in public. Thankfully, the police said they wouldn't levy the fine. I hope our governor just overrides her and says "no fines at all" already. We don't have to all go Bubble Boy to cater to hypochondriacs in our society.This type of mind frame is what I hate about living in Texas in general. She's 29 and her age is irrelevant. And this isn't about catering to hypochondriacs, so no need to gaslight.
emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B 2,939 Posts Specializes in Emergency. Has 21 years experience. May 5, 2020 14 hours ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:You are free to wear a mask or whatever else YOU want. Go around telling others what to wear and what to do, and you're going to have a few expletive-laden words thrown right back at ya.These are 2 charts showing deaths in the houston area. Does that affect how you feel about mask wearing?
A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN 408 Posts Specializes in Psych. Has 7 years experience. May 5, 2020 1 hour ago, JadedCPN said:This type of mind frame is what I hate about living in Texas in general. She's 29 and her age is irrelevant. And this isn't about catering to hypochondriacs, so no need to gaslight. It's completely relevant. How do you put a friggin' kid with zero legal (let alone judicial) experience or education as the head of the most powerful position in the 4th largest city in America? I voted straight-ticket Dem in 2018 but whenever she's on the ballot I sure as heck will be voting for whoever can replace her.So your graphs basically show that forcible masking is having no effect at curbing Corona growth. Thank you.
JadedCPN, BSN, RN 1,476 Posts Specializes in Pediatrics, Pediatric Float, PICU, NICU. Has 17 years experience. May 5, 2020 1 minute ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:It's completely relevant. How do you put a friggin' kid with zero legal (let alone judicial) experience or education as the head of the most powerful position in the 4th largest city in America? I voted straight-ticket Dem in 2018 but whenever she's on the ballot I sure as heck will be voting for whoever can replace her.I'm not arguing for or against her at all, but you pointed out her age as if that made a difference and it doesn't - she's a grown woman, not a kid.
A Hit With The Ladies, BSN, RN 408 Posts Specializes in Psych. Has 7 years experience. May 5, 2020 Age certainly makes a difference. You should have plenty of experience in order to be in a position of power like a judgeship. I wouldn't want someone fresh off of residency to be Surgeon General or someone who just got out of Boot Camp promoted to the Chairman of the Joint Chiefs.
emtb2rn, BSN, RN, EMT-B 2,939 Posts Specializes in Emergency. Has 21 years experience. May 5, 2020 10 minutes ago, A Hit With The Ladies said:So your graphs basically show that forcible masking is having no effect at curbing Corona growth. Thank you.What do you think those charts would look like without masking? I don’t actually expect to change your mind as your posts do reveal a concrete mindset. I know you work in-pt psych. If that’s hospital based, I would suggest seeing if you could float down to cover a shift in the ED psych unit. Maybe get a little closer to the sharp end.
