Trump, the suspect of multiple federal investigations and investigations in multiple states, twice impeached and removed from officeby the American voters in 2020, COMPLETE SORE LOSER (He is the definition of an entitled snowflake because he whines over a loss that he pretends he won), unpatriotic white nationalist TRASH and authoritarian dictator wannabe (he wants to destroy our democracy while political GQP hacks and trash/clown media (I.e. Fox Noise and white nationalist media outlets) mimic his stupidity) Is raided by the FBI:
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8 minutes ago, heron said:
Hmm … just read on mediaite.com that Steve Bannon told Alex Jones on the air that the feds are plotting to assassinate trump. Anyone have any real info?
Yeah, speculation is moot, but discussion of the known behavior and tendencies of Trump leads one to believe that he would be the type of fellow to intentionally keep some things because they represented some value to him personally or transactionally. His known behavior also suggests that he would want to brag about it in some fashion.
While it is totally legal to protest and, in Arizona, openly carry firearms, in my view the implications - and the threat- are obvious.
So, did the protesters outside the SJC justices homes arrive armed? Pics, please.
ETA: I wonder what would happen if 2 dozen Mexican immigrants or members of AIM showed up with their legal firearms to protest FBI behavior in their respective communities.
The implications and threats are not obvious. Make your case.
Why do you suppose the SCOTUS protestors, instead of going to the Supreme Court building, went to the homes of only specific justices? What message were they trying to send?
And let's not forget they were breaking federal law in doing so.
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5 minutes ago, Beerman said:
The implications and threats are not obvious. Make your case.
Why do you suppose the SCOTUS protestors, instead of going to the Supreme Court building, went to the homes of only specific justices? What message were they trying to send?
And let's not forget they were breaking federal law in doing so.
Then arrest and charge them. That's what law and order means.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch … I have some questions:
Trump defenders have asserted that the seized documents were planted and that trump declassified them anyhow. Which is it?
How does an effort going back months and includes 2 attempts to negotiate and one subpoena add up to an “out of the blue” search? What did he think was going to happen after his lawyer signed a statement that no classified documents remained at the estate and yet DOJ was able to obtain a subpoena for any remaining classified material? A subpoena with which he not only refused to comply but apparently made no good faith effort to search fo anything that might have been overlooked?
A point made by a commentator: this is a guy that repeatedly demonstrated disdain for classified intelligence data. Why would he suddenly become interested enough to take it illegally when he left office?
I think you've grossly overestimated the importance I place on posting what and when you think I should.
And, I would encourage you to refrain from making these discussions personal. Just stick to the topic.
"Hysteria is what members of the liberal media do best. Furious assumptions and wanton speculation are their specialties. They are terminally allergic to the meaning and nuance of laws. Facts are trifling matters that tend to impede their favored narrative.
But in the interest of truth and accuracy, let’s explore a few salient facts and relevant laws that the mainstream press would never bother to consider in their zeal to convict the former president of something—anything."
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8 hours ago, Beerman said:
"Hysteria is what members of the liberal media do best. Furious assumptions and wanton speculation are their specialties. They are terminally allergic to the meaning and nuance of laws. Facts are trifling matters that tend to impede their favored narrative.
But in the interest of truth and accuracy, let’s explore a few salient facts and relevant laws that the mainstream press would never bother to consider in their zeal to convict the former president of something—anything."
I can't quibble with what he is saying because it's written from a lawyerly point of view and deems to delve into what Donald Trump subjectively believed throughout this process. Because Greg Jarrett is a lawyer, he's a notch above most of the others on Fox news declaring this or that about the laws and ethical norms Trump ignores on a regular basis.
However, to me the overarching truth is that Trump never cared about norms, laws and ethical considerations regarding his behavior and the predictable consequences of his behavior. That he would feel remorse for the harm his actions caused is off the radar completely.
Therefore, it's almost a certainty Trump's lawless behavior will intersect with an investigation, a current event or accidental disclosure followed by another media firestorm he can exploit to suit his own ends.
It fits the pattern on full display in the communications between White House and Justice Dept. counsel vs Team Crazy vis a vis the Electoral College Act. They were wholly engaged in the legalities, however mistaken they may have been. Trump was going to do what he was going to do regardless of the legalities, and knows by now the odds are that a significant percentage of the public will be indifferent to it.
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9 hours ago, Beerman said:
"Hysteria is what members of the liberal media do best. Furious assumptions and wanton speculation are their specialties. They are terminally allergic to the meaning and nuance of laws. Facts are trifling matters that tend to impede their favored narrative.
But in the interest of truth and accuracy, let’s explore a few salient facts and relevant laws that the mainstream press would never bother to consider in their zeal to convict the former president of something—anything."
Good grief... so the lawyer/commentator opinion is that Trump is disorganized and unable to maintain documents according to protocol and law, he hired incompetent staff who were unable to follow protocol and law when packing up for the single term administration? Maybe that pretending that he hadn't lost the election didn't help with the transition and sorting of personal items from the people's items.
Or is the defense that Trump didn't know? Really? After asks and subpoenas and visits Trump still didn't look and make certain for himself?
His opinion is that this is all the FBI's fault for not asking one more time... pretty please?
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13 hours ago, heron said:
Hilarious that he’s talking about liberal media “hysterics” when the right-wing media still can’t get it’s story straight - after a whole week.
A case study in Pavlovian conditioning, if you ask me.
Indeed... the sound of evolving excuses for criminal behavior has a decidedly desperate tone to it.
Meanwhile, it appears that the DOJ isn't willing to put witnesses at risk by divulging secrets yet.
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“Disclosure of the government’s affidavit at this stage would also likely chill future cooperation by witnesses whose assistance may be sought as this investigation progresses,” prosecutors wrote. They added that releasing the affidavit could harm “other high-profile investigations” as well.
This certainly makes it appear that trouble is just starting for Trump et al.
Justice Dept. Objects to Releasing Affidavit Used to Search Trump’s Home https://nyti.ms/3PpJwhw
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According to two people with knowledge of the situation, Mr. Trump and his chief of staff, Mark Meadows, the man who oversaw presidential records in the chaotic closing days of the administration, failed to organize an effort to collect, box and deliver materials to the National Archives — as prior presidents, and Mr. Trump’s own vice president, Mike Pence, did.
Instead, they often focused on settling political grievances and personal grudges, they said.
Focused upon grievances and grudges... no surprise there...
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While all this was happening, a very different scenario was playing out just across West Executive Avenue, in Mr. Pence’s less frenetic office.
As Mr. Trump sought to hold on to power, two of Mr. Pence’s senior aides — Marc Short, his chief of staff, and Greg Jacob, his counsel — indexed and boxed all of his government papers, according to three former officials with knowledge of the work.
Mr. Jacob spent the bulk of his final few days in government preparing the final boxes, with the goal of ensuring that Mr. Pence left office without a single paper that did not belong to him, one of the officials said.
The contrast... even Pence managed to stay focused on the important task that Trump apparently ignored. It sounds like Meadows might be helping the DOJ out with this investigation.
I think trump is scared out of his tiny wits now that it’s becoming increasingly clear that he’s not getting a pass just because money. His go-to strategy is to lie his butt off and threaten to beat up or kill anyone who dares to question him. Watch Fox or go read gab if you don’t believe me. It took mere days after trump announced the search for the guns to come out.
Magaphile media , including social media, are piling on because that’s where the money is for them.
Magaphile politicians are piling on because they still harbor hopes of an extremist take-over of the country and that’s where the money is for them.
Magaphile voters are piling on because, after more than half a century of Republican grooming of white racism and religious extremism, they are addicted to rage, cruelty and owning the libs. As with any addict, they can’t think past the next fix.
Although I choose to go un-armed, I am very glad that my son and his ex are both competent with firearms. Even better, they have been teaching my grandchildren to be the same (one of whom is transgender … and a very good shot).
Wth respect to this particular investigation, I think that trump has always had a problem with leaks. We’re not going to know the identities of witnesses, including the tipster, until the case goes to trial. I suspect that someone with knowledge of the nature of the material trump took, the conditions in which he was storing it and his plans for what to do with it got scared.
I think it’s going to get worse before it gets better.
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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/alex-jones-steve-bannon-fbi-raid-trump-b2142214.html
Yeah, speculation is moot, but discussion of the known behavior and tendencies of Trump leads one to believe that he would be the type of fellow to intentionally keep some things because they represented some value to him personally or transactionally. His known behavior also suggests that he would want to brag about it in some fashion.