Experiencing racism and xenophobia when coming to CA to help with Covid

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I’m a psych travel nurse who had a horrendous experience at Metropolis State Hospital in Norwalk, CA as I attempted to come help with Covid, putting my life at risk. You are reading page 14 of Experiencing racism and xenophobia when coming to CA to help with Covid. If you want to start from the beginning Go to First Page.

juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP

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6 minutes ago, cynical-RN said:

I respect where you are coming from. Indeed, it is not my place as a straight man to tell you how to feel as a gay man. I think the argument here is the appropriateness of location relative to professionalism. I think such a casual conversation in the cafeteria is innocuous juxtaposed to the nurses' station, OR, patient room etc. And sometimes, the things straight people ask out of curiosity and ignorance should be considered a teaching moment. I recall once when a lesbian lady said she was planning to get pregnant. I was amused and confused. Out of about 10 people, I was the only one who asked how that will happen. Everyone was thinking it, but afraid to ask. Unlike someone like the OP who is seeking to be conveniently outraged, she explained the process and pleasantly addressed my ignorance. Later, she thanked me for asking. Apparently, answering it in the form of an asked question is better than just divulging intimate details like that sans solicitation. 

Thank you.  It's hard to hide - it takes a lot of effort.  I never told previous co-workers (even those I was close to) that I took a two-week vacation to Provincetown, Massachusetts in 2005 because I was marrying a man (a time when Mitt Romney was governor!).  Looking back, it was fear of a backlash that made me do that...never again!

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On 11/17/2020 at 6:44 AM, HiddencatBSN said:

I’m responding to what is being directly and clearly communicated in this thread, that advocacy for LGBTQ+ issues has no place in our work as nurses and that the OP needs to keep their head down and shut up. We treat people who are part of this community, and bigoted views among nurses impact patient care. How do I explain that LGBTQ+ people disagree with that? It’s not a monolithic community and we don’t all agree. And it’s probably a reflection of how widespread discrimination against non-cishet people is.

Suggesting that those of us who disagree are engaged in performative allyship is presuming that those who disagree with you aren’t also part of the LGBTQ+ themselves. 

Regardless of the OP’s behavior here, nursing staff reacting to their sexuality and ethnicity with aggressive and violent words and body language is deeply concerning for the care LGBTQ+ and non-white patients are receiving at that hospital.
 

 

What? None of that has any bearing on anything I said. You made up a whole rant about something completely irrelevant and tried to pose as if it's any indication or relative to my POV. Not buying it. SMH

juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP

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1 hour ago, NurseBlaq said:

And lastly, if someone is uncomfortable with a topic and you discuss it anyway, ie no matter what, then yes you're intentionally engaging them in uncomfortable conversations. You're so busy looking for a reason to make everyone be offensive that you're passing by the point and going against your own logic. 🙄

You seem so triggered by my comments.  I have no idea if the OP saying "I will discuss my sexuality no matter what" meant that the co-worker was uncomfortable with a topic (his sexuality) and he kept discussing it anyway.  I didn't get that from the OP's post.

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1 hour ago, juan de la cruz said:

Cool.  Well I know to stay away from you then.  I actually don't think the question is neither nosy nor homophobic.  It's just harmless conversation.  I would actually answer the question honestly and not tell them off.

I think anyone asking me personal questions is being nosy. I divulge information sparingly and what I choose to share. I have worked with some heathens and know some outside of work. I'm a private person by nature. I'm one of those type of people where I'll tell you what I want you to know and I don't ask anything from you I wouldn't divulge myself. Whom you sleep with and your sexuality is not what I go around asking people. As I said before, I've had LGBTQ coworkers, some were open, others closeted but I knew because my brother is gay, I didn't out them it wasn't my business to tell nor did I ask because obviously they didn't want people to know. If they were open, I didn't judge them or have a problem with that either. Either way, I didn't treat them any different than anyone else. People tell you what they want you to know is how I see it. Some share things willingly while others choose to keep things professional only. I meet people where they're at and respect their choice.

juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP

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Just now, NurseBlaq said:

I think anyone asking me personal questions is being nosy. I divulge information sparingly and what I choose to share. I have worked with some heathens and know some outside of work. I'm a private person by nature. I'm one of those type of people where I'll tell you what I want you to know and I don't ask anything from you I wouldn't divulge myself. Whom you sleep with and your sexuality is not what I go around asking people. As I said before, I've had LGBTQ coworkers, some were open, others closeted but I knew because my brother is gay, I didn't out them it wasn't my business to tell nor did I ask because obviously they didn't want people to know. If they were open, I didn't judge them or have a problem with that either. Either way, I didn't treat them any different than anyone else. People tell you what they want you to know is how I see it. Some share things willingly while others choose to keep things professional only. I meet people where they're at and respect their choice.

Like I said, I know to stay away from you, you don't need to explain.

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14 minutes ago, juan de la cruz said:

Thank you.  It's hard to hide - it takes a lot of effort.  I never told previous co-workers (even those I was close to) that I took a two-week vacation to Provincetown, Massachusetts in 2005 because I was marrying a man (a time when Mitt Romney was governor!).  Looking back, it was fear of a backlash that made me do that...never again!

How do we remedy that fear of backlash while considering people whose religious tenets are antithetical to the gay culture? I am irreligious, just playing the devil's advocate. Is there a middle ground? or ultimately, people will have to denounce the Abrahamic religions I.e. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism because inherently these religions are mutually exclusive with homosexuality. I am posing these questions to genuinely enrich the dialogue and not detract from it. I should not even mention that, but comprehension herein by some leaves much to be desired. 

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4 minutes ago, juan de la cruz said:

You seem so triggered by my comments.  I have no idea if the OP saying "I will discuss my sexuality no matter what" meant that the co-worker was uncomfortable with a topic (his sexuality) and he kept discussing it anyway.  I didn't get that from the OP's post.

Not triggered at all. You just seem to be looking for issues where they don't exist. Reading your latest posts I see why. You've experienced some things, I get it. But not everyone is those people and not everyone is a homophobe yet you seem to seek it where it doesn't exist or take things out of context to make them an attack when that's wrong as well. We got different things from Kween's post but the thing is, a lot of people in this thread have my same POV so it isn't a random opinion of mine that I made up in my head.

2 minutes ago, juan de la cruz said:

Like I said, I know to stay away from you, you don't need to explain.

And there it is. You need a reason to be offended and create them where they don't exist. Yes, stay away. Thank you!

juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in APRN, Adult Critical Care, General Cardiology. Has 30 years experience. 9 Articles; 4,328 Posts

12 minutes ago, cynical-RN said:

How do we remedy that fear of backlash while considering people whose religious tenets are antithetical to the gay culture? I am irreligious, just playing the devil's advocate. Is there a middle ground? or ultimately, people will have to denounce the Abrahamic religions I.e. Islam, Christianity, and Judaism because inherently these religions are mutually exclusive with homosexuality. I am posing these questions to genuinely enrich the dialogue and not detract from it. I should not even mention that, but comprehension herein by some leaves much to be desired. 

I think homophobes who spout hateful rhetoric will always exist.  That's why I was giving the OP the benefit of the doubt.  I have seen it firsthand.  To me, it doesn't matter how repulsive a gay person acts, no one deserves that kind of response. Like we say nowadays "never blame the victim".  I have family, friends, and neighbors who are deeply Christian and they don't act in such a hateful manner.

juan de la cruz, MSN, RN, NP

Specializes in APRN, Adult Critical Care, General Cardiology. Has 30 years experience. 9 Articles; 4,328 Posts

4 minutes ago, juan de la cruz said:

 

 

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