Expelled :(

[PiedPiperRN]

Hello,

I was recently expelled from nursing school due to the fact that I ticked off the dean of nursing. The reasons that were given were "unprofessional behavior" despite the fact that I had a great clinical record and a 4.0 GPA. I have one semester left.

First off, for those of you in this situation, I would like to recommend Excelsior College, which will take anyone who has finished at least half an ASN program (or has an LPN). Because thier program is exam-based, the worse case is that you will have to take a bunch of exams again, but there are no lectures or clinicals. (I just could NOT sit through my OB clinical again! Or any other of them for that matter.)

But the real reason that I am writing is that I am very angry and sad about the situation. I feel that my future was spat apon by a few people who met me once and didn't give a damn about me or my possible career. I have worked in health care for some time now and my coworkers have refused to let me give up. These people, who have worked with me for years, strongly believe that I will make a wonderful, principled, and very professional nurse!

Anyway, I was hoping to hear from other people who are in this position, or who have been in the past. I have heard a lot of stories from people who were singled about and expelled for silly reasons. I would love to get some input.

[BabyLady, BSN, RN]

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[elkpark]

I see posts here fairly often from students who have gotten (or are about to be) kicked out of their programs, and it's often described as, roughly, I didn't do anything wrong, they're just arbitrarily kicking me out because they don't like me, or because one instructor doesn't like the student, and I always have to wonder what else there is to the story -- I've taught in both ADN and BSN programs over the years and, as other posters have noted here, I've never personally witnessed a situation where a student got kicked out arbitrarily. In my experience, schools bend over backwards to avoid failing or expelling students. Usually, there is a series of problem behaviors or incidents, the student is counseled and given opportunities to improve, and it's only after the student has failed more than once to take responsibility and improve her/his performance to meet at least minimum performance standards that you get to the point of having to leave the program.

I'm not saying that I'm sure that that could never happen, but it seems highly unlikely ... In my experience on this board, it usually eventually turns out that there's a whole lot more to the story than we were originally told.

[faith2743]

anybody know of a nursing program that would accept student from another nursing school. I am in my last semster and in threat of an explusion.

[faith2743]

I agree with you that usually there is a pattern however my pattern is not exactly the same usually a commincation problem that was trasferred to me.

I am accepting accountability and I am going to take some communication classess.

My biggest question to you would be is how to conduct myself in front of the committe and what should I do before to relay the messge that I understand what I have done, I am taking accountability and working on it.

any input from anyone would be greatly appreciated.

[goodstudentnowRN]

I do not want to be bias but I have seen with my own two eyes a student being kicked out of nursing school because of lies instructor wrote. The dean at the time was so weak she could not make a decision on her own. I was asked to be a witness and refused because I did not see what happened and the instructor claimed that I was the only one present. The student was kicked out irrespective of the fact that there was no witness and it was the instructor's assumption since she was not present. This instructor did not like the student from the day she entered her class for reasons I will not disclose here. The student got the last laugh because she is a registered nurse today and they got rid of the dean. When the student was kicked out I was being victimized because I did not get involved since I did not witness anything. To cut long story short I left the school eventually and I am directing this to that pill popping moron "You did not shatter my dream instead I crushed your ego. God does not like ugly and I will leave you to karma." Thank you God almighty for my life!

[faith2743]

I see posts here fairly often from students who have gotten (or are about to be) kicked out of their programs, and it's often described as, roughly, I didn't do anything wrong, they're just arbitrarily kicking me out because they don't like me, or because one instructor doesn't like the student, and I always have to wonder what else there is to the story -- I've taught in both ADN and BSN programs over the years and, as other posters have noted here, I've never personally witnessed a situation where a student got kicked out arbitrarily. In my experience, schools bend over backwards to avoid failing or expelling students. Usually, there is a series of problem behaviors or incidents, the student is counseled and given opportunities to improve, and it's only after the student has failed more than once to take responsibility and improve her/his performance to meet at least minimum performance standards that you get to the point of having to leave the program.

I'm not saying that I'm sure that that could never happen, but it seems highly unlikely ... In my experience on this board, it usually eventually turns out that there's a whole lot more to the story than we were originally told.

I agree with you I am going to take responsibility and take iniative to improve as an individual and a student. I am going in front of comitte where the dean of nursing program is going to reccomend expulsion.

any tips would be appreciated as to how to conduct repersent myself in fron of the committe. Also anything else i can do before the comiitee meeting to improve myself and also show the committe that I have taken respoinsibity and iniatives to improve communication and interpersonal skills. I would appreciate any input.

student nurse

[faith2743]

I see posts here fairly often from students who have gotten (or are about to be) kicked out of their programs, and it's often described as, roughly, I didn't do anything wrong, they're just arbitrarily kicking me out because they don't like me, or because one instructor doesn't like the student, and I always have to wonder what else there is to the story -- I've taught in both ADN and BSN programs over the years and, as other posters have noted here, I've never personally witnessed a situation where a student got kicked out arbitrarily. In my experience, schools bend over backwards to avoid failing or expelling students. Usually, there is a series of problem behaviors or incidents, the student is counseled and given opportunities to improve, and it's only after the student has failed more than once to take responsibility and improve her/his performance to meet at least minimum performance standards that you get to the point of having to leave the program.

I'm not saying that I'm sure that that could never happen, but it seems highly unlikely ... In my experience on this board, it usually eventually turns out that there's a whole lot more to the story than we were originally told.

anybody know of a nursing program that would accept student from another nursing school. I am in my last semster and in threat of an explusion.

[morte, LPN, LVN]

Yes, it is true.

Very much true.

If you think that a Dean can do anything that they want just because they have the title of "Dean" in front of their name, then you have fallen for the same myth that so many students have heard that they actually think it's a fact.

none so blind as those that will not see........just because you havent or cant, see it, doesnt mean it isnt so.....

[llg, PhD, RN]

I agree with you I am going to take responsibility and take iniative to improve as an individual and a student. I am going in front of comitte where the dean of nursing program is going to reccomend expulsion.

any tips would be appreciated as to how to conduct repersent myself in fron of the committe. Also anything else i can do before the comiitee meeting to improve myself and also show the committe that I have taken respoinsibity and iniatives to improve communication and interpersonal skills. I would appreciate any input.

student nurse

I used to serve as a student represented on a "student appeals committee" that would hear cases like yours and others who had flunked courses, or been expelled, etc. We usually gave the student a 2nd chance if they truly had not already received mulitple chance and if:

1. They were able to clearly state what they had wrong and why it was wrong. We didn't want to hear excuses. We didn't want to hear that the bad grade was given or the student disciplined "for no reason" ... "because she never liked me, etc."

2. We wanted to hear a specific plan from the student as to what they were going to correct their mistake -- or to assure tht it would not keep happening.

3. We wanted to hear that the student wanted to improve their behavior NOT because it would be necessary to stay in school, but that they truly believed in their hearts that they had room to improve and had things they needed to work on.

So ... dress professionally and be prepared to apologize for anything you may have done wrong. Be prepared to explain why your behavior was wrong and what you are going to do to improve it in the future.

4. If there is any evidence to be presented because you believe that what the Dean is saying is untrue, have multiple copies prepared to present. If you are claiming that you are innocent and did nothing wrong ... don't be accusatory. Instead, say that there has been a misunderstanding and that you did not intend to offend the Dean (or whatever). Being accusatory only makes the other people defensive. Apologize for any part you played in the misunderstanding and go from there.

[faith2743]

I used to serve as a student represented on a "student appeals committee" that would hear cases like yours and others who had flunked courses, or been expelled, etc. We usually gave the student a 2nd chance if they truly had not already received mulitple chance and if:

1. They were able to clearly state what they had wrong and why it was wrong. We didn't want to hear excuses. We didn't want to hear that the bad grade was given or the student disciplined "for no reason" ... "because she never liked me, etc."

2. We wanted to hear a specific plan from the student as to what they were going to correct their mistake -- or to assure tht it would not keep happening.

3. We wanted to hear that the student wanted to improve their behavior NOT because it would be necessary to stay in school, but that they truly believed in their hearts that they had room to improve and had things they needed to work on.

So ... dress professionally and be prepared to apologize for anything you may have done wrong. Be prepared to explain why your behavior was wrong and what you are going to do to improve it in the future.

4. If there is any evidence to be presented because you believe that what the Dean is saying is untrue, have multiple copies prepared to present. If you are claiming that you are innocent and did nothing wrong ... don't be accusatory. Instead, say that there has been a misunderstanding and that you did not intend to offend the Dean (or whatever). Being accusatory only makes the other people defensive. Apologize for any part you played in the misunderstanding and go from there.

Thank you so much for the above tips and it defnitely has given me for more insight. How do I go about redeeming myself when I was given like 3 chances however they were for different situations. I guess my cocnern is how I do appear apologetic which I am and show I will improve which I will. Biggest concern was I was deemed not to have professional communication and professional behavior. below is a brief explaination of the situtaion:

I am in my last semester of nursing school, 2 months till graduation, in Dec, 09.

I have always passed all of my classes and clincials.

Here are the 3 situations that are being held against me:

1) in my operating room one day observation the school told me that they recieved an email from the staff that I was sleeping and that my behavior was inappropriate. The day I went for OR room oberservation they had only very few surgeries schedule so I had none to observe after a period of time so I decided to clsoe my eyes out of bordome.

2) they made me repeat behavorial course due very subjective resasons. my car was broken to and I happen to speak to a classmate who offered to pass to the clincial instructor what happened and why I would not make it to clincials on Tuesday morning mind you this was Monday morning and we have 2 hours before the clincials to call out. I also sent the instructor email Monday morning abt the situtaion and decided if she does not cocntact by Monday 4 PM that I would call her myself. so as you can imagine one thing to let anoter.. so they failed me for clicnicals so I had to repeat the entire course.

for the current one here is the reason and for this I have a meetimg tomorrow for which I was advised explusion would be considered:

As far the phone call that I made on Friday night regarding directions to the site, I informed the lady over the phone that my phone battery was low and also that I was at work just in case we get disconnected and she acknowledge that on the phone with me. As far as the gentleman which I met in the parking lot I simply asked him to point where the entrance was since it was raining so I would not have to walk around the area in the dark. Then I to proceeded to grab small pack which had my belongings for the ride such as a stethoscope from the car and my lunch. I had used the the paperwork for directions which I had left on the passenger side of may car. when I checked in and I advised that I had left paperwork in the car and I was told to go get it. During the walk my name tag had fallen in the parking lot, so I had informed them before leaving the building what was going on and I did located it in the parking lot. I had arrived 30 minuets early on the site just to make sure I was ready for the ride.

For the actual medic ride, the paramedics can assure that I was professional, engaging and interested in the ride.

It appears we had started off on a bad foot with the Friday night phone call for directions and I assure I informed the lady with whom I spoke with about my battery situation in advance.

This is so heart breaking, i have invested so much time, effort and heart soul not to mention my passion for nursing. I have 2 months to graduation if everything goes well.

I need any help and input out there. I am not sure what type of attorney to obtain. thank you.

[BabyLady, BSN, RN]

none so blind as those that will not see........just because you havent or cant, see it, doesnt mean it isnt so.....

Morte, if you want to post an opinion, post an opinion.

If I wanted to read philosphy, I would pick up a book by someone more qualified in that realm.

If you want to go through life being the victim, then a victim you will be.

Schools are not independent, third world countries..if they are accepting federal funds, they have to have rules and those rules must be open, published and available for students to review.

The student handbook, courts have ruled over and over again, are legal contracts.

The Dean, the instructor, must follow the "rules" or that gives a student grounds for litigation for breach of contract.

Look it up morte...that is the ENTIRE BASIS that students win cases in court over.

[morte, LPN, LVN]

Morte, if you want to post an opinion, post an opinion.

If I wanted to read philosphy, I would pick up a book by someone more qualified in that realm.

If you want to go through life being the victim, then a victim you will be.

Schools are not independent, third world countries..if they are accepting federal funds, they have to have rules and those rules must be open, published and available for students to review.

The student handbook, courts have ruled over and over again, are legal contracts.

The Dean, the instructor, must follow the "rules" or that gives a student grounds for litigation for breach of contract.

Look it up morte...that is the ENTIRE BASIS that students win cases in court over.

because you can not refute my statement, you attack.....childlike......