Evil Estrogen Empire - The Silent Menace

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As I sit back and reflect on my 23 years of health care employment I mediate on those things that have inspired and discouraged me in these endeavors. In my various roles and responsibilities I would sometimes find myself at odds with "the establishment" and for the most part understood the conflict I encountered.

But then I entered nursing and discovered that this profession had it's own version of the "good old boy" network that a CRNA friend of mine described as the "evil estrogen empire". Granted this is not a flattering term but was a catchy phrase to describe a certain clique in nursing that seemed to resist the idea of men practicing nursing.

I have read countless threads on the various flavors of this subject and can see that there exists substantial difference of opinion on the etiology or even the existence of this phenomenon.

The real question is this, if you accept the premise that men in nursing are subjected to various negative stereotypes, gender bias and other forms of discrimination what is the best approach to redress these grievances.

Should men just ignore the problem and hope that things will get better or should they become more proactive on this issue and attempt to educate others on the consequences of such behavior?

-HBS

Specializes in Critical Care,Recovery, ED.

Well the EEE has definetly effected many men in the nursing profession. I would have to say however that the EEE is no longer a majority view with in the profession. But it is still there.

Over time I feel it will contiue to lessen, so to answer one of the original questions of this thread. Be patient the EEE will continue to decline in impact. I am not sure when, if ever, it will disappear. It will probably dissappear when all gender biasis are no longer present in any endeavor.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Originally posted by hbscott

So what you are saying is that gender ratios are relevant to the problem stated in the original post?

No. I guess what I'm saying is that I'm not one of those who feel a resistence to men in nursing. I'm quite comfortable in nursing and have felt no resistance. I'm so unconfortable with the real "good old boy network" that I'd rather nursing stay with it's version because it doesn't seem as exclusive.

And no, men should not remain silent if they feel they are being held back in the field by females.

But in this board we hear both don't we? That males are given unfair advantage and are paid more. Then there's your thread.

I guess it depends on your experience and your perspective.

Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy

But in this board we hear both don't we? That males are given unfair advantage and are paid more. Then there's your thread. I guess it depends on your experience and your perspective.

True and Fair Enough. But then again I recall "the good old boy" network not taking seriously the concern of women and other minorities until enough pressure was brought to bear on those offenders responsible for those issues that caused grievance.

Least we forget....

-HBS

Originally posted by ocankhe

I would have to say however that the EEE is no longer a majority view with in the profession. But it is still there.

I would agree that what males in nursing experience today is no where near what was experienced in the 70's. To borrow a phrase from the feminist movement:

We have come a long way brother!

But a silent menace exists when this minority view is allowed to remain unchallenged particularly when that minority view abuses power entrusted to them in situations so empowered.

-HBS

Specializes in 5 yrs OR, ASU Pre-Op 2 yr. ER.

I doubt a whole lot of the females you work with would find your label for this thread humorous and would probably be offended by it.

(It's goes both ways, you don't like the term "male nurse" but you come up with 'Evil Estrogen Empire'. If the nurse on our floor ever said that in reference to us, he'd wind up in the NM's office in no time. So where will it stop? The labeling is the a good start....)

(Will not reply or read anymore with this thread.)

Originally posted by LPN2Be2004

I doubt a whole lot of the females you work with would find your label for this thread humorous and would probably be offended by it.

As I recall I did not post the laughing icon to express a certain response.

This is not a laughing matter and what I have done is brought out into the open remarks, experiences and events I have witnessed.

And if you read the first post carefully you will see the labels that offend you are not mine.

-HBS

Specializes in Neuro Critical Care.

hbscott,

After reading the website links you posted I had to reply to your thread. I found the last link (aboutmytalk.com) to be especially interesting since the thread mainly focused on how many nurses another "nurse-that-is-male" had slept with ( and how they now did all his work for him)nurses flirting with male residents and whether gay "nurses-that-are-male" are worse than female nurses.

I find it amusing that men are so threatened by a female dominated career when most other careers are male dominated. Perhaps the problem comes from a lack of respect for your co-workers and females in general. I tried very hard to see your point of view in this thread but I can't. I have worked with many male nurses who were proud of their career choices and were wonderful to work with and I have worked with many gay nurses who were wonderful as well.

Please be careful of the links you post on this BB, we don't care to read your smut. I am sorry if you have been mistreated or unhappy with your job. Don't create a stereotype of all women based on your limited experience, unless you have worked in every hospital in every state. Yes there are some nasty nurses, they are nasty to all co-workers regardless of sex.

We have SOOO many problems in the nursing field today, I admit I tend to find it irritating when a small special interest group wants to redirect our energies to their agenda.

Again...some males' preoccupation with their suffering in nursing's 'evil estrogen empire' only highlights (to me) the inability of nurses to come together for the common good of the ENTIRE profession.

Originally posted by bellehill

Please be careful of the links you post on this BB, we don't care to read your smut.

My apologies for anything you found posted offensive. But then again I tried not to censor what is "out there" from my Google search and only report the findings. Of all the links posted I find it curios that you only referenced the one and called it smut...

I also believe that what is referenced was noted as a certain segment of nursing not all nursing. But I also believe (as posted) that these things should not be ignored.

-HBS

Originally posted by mattsmom81

We have SOOO many problems in the nursing field today, I admit I tend to find it irritating when a small special interest group wants to redirect our energies to their agenda.

So we should ignore the problem? I guess the issues of discrimination, gender bias, hostile work environment only apply to other populations, not male nurses.

-HBS

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

hbscott, you might want to edit your post above with the link to warn that the last link is from an unmoderated board that contains a lot of profanity. Just a respectful suggestion. Didn't bother a heathen like me, but I can see why some would be offended.

Now I'm going to try to open my mind a little bit here as I sometimes like to do.

First, bellehill I don't think anywhere that hbscott's issues have anything to do with as you suggest males being threatened by a female dominated profession. I'm sure it feels good to see men getting a taste of their own medicine, but that doesn't address anything.

hbscott, I think I'm finally understanding you a bit. Males do tend to sit quietly in nursing and allow issues of gender bias, hostile work environments, etc. happen around them. I can only think of the time I had a female nurse grab a handful of my butt and comment on what a nice ass I had, and the embarrasment that I kept to myself to find an example as to what you are saying. I should have reported her for sexual harrassment.

Females have been experiencing these kinds of things forever. That some females rather than say "I can relate to that and it's not right" say "well we've put up with it, it's your just rewards you male thing you..." doesn't make it right.

When it comes to issues of fairness and what is right no one should remain silent. While there may be bigger fish to fry in the area of nursing, fairness, equality and a hostile-free work environment shouldn't be ignored.

I'm with you on this one hbscott, (many would say, "of course he is, he's a male!") even if on a daily basis I do it see where I'm am. But mark my word, I'm older and wiser now and won't tolerate any sort of thing in silence.

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