Evil Estrogen Empire - The Silent Menace

SmilingBluEyes · Dec 12, 2003

you are asking for it aren't you???

i won't dignify this with anymore here.

check the archives. there are lots of enlightened men in nursing who have ideas how to "survive the evil estrogen empire"...

funny, the world is ruled by MEN in a mass majority of countries, but we are ok with that? nursing, primarily female since its inception and we are an "empire"....

interesting viewpoint is all i will say.

Rustyhammer · Dec 12, 2003

P_RN, ADN, RN · Dec 12, 2003

:rolleyes:

Oh my Lions and tigers and bears. OH MY

Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN · Dec 12, 2003

Originally posted by hbscott
But then I entered nursing and discovered that this profession had it's own version of the "good old boy" network that a CRNA friend of mine described as the "evil estrogen empire". Granted this is not a flattering term but was a catchy phrase to describe a certain clique in nursing that seemed to resist the idea of men practicing nursing.

If i used a reference of "testoserone empire", i'd have 3rd degree burns form the flaming. Just a thought.

Evil estrogen empire, no that is not flattering, a better term for that would be SEXIST. Using such a term to describe the problem is only aggravating it.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Dec 12, 2003

I was in the business world prior to nursing. For about five years ago I worked in a regional headquarters in Atlanta. Mostly white men ran the place.

Frankly I couldn't stand the testosterone. The men all gossiped, back stabbed, were petty, enjoyed the failures of others, were judgemental, whined about their jobs, talked about their wives failings, talked endlessly of armchair style politics and had all the answers to the worlds problems, of course the useless sports talk. The egos were insatiable.

Honestly, I like women much better. I might get flamed for this, but I hope the male-female ratio doesn't change. Because my guts tell me things won't really get any better if guys ran the show.

SmilingBluEyes · Dec 12, 2003

Tweety: much the same as what I experienced in the US military.

so I HATE WHEN we say nursing is in the state it is in due to being predominantly female. WHAT SEXIST GARBAGE...../.

thank you tweety for your perspective as a man who made it in the "estrogen empire".....you are DA man.

hbscott · Dec 12, 2003

Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes
you are asking for it aren't you???

Indeed. What am I asking for? I believe the question was "Should men just ignore the problem and hope that things will get better or should they become more proactive on this issue and attempt to educate others on the consequences of such behavior? "

**check the archives. there are lots of enlightened men in nursing who have ideas how to "survive the evil estrogen empire"... **

I believe I stated "I have read countless threads on the various flavors of this subject and can see that there exists substantial difference of opinion on the etiology or even the existence of this phenomenon.

**"funny, the world is ruled by MEN in a mass majority of countries, but we are ok with that? nursing, primarily female since its inception and we are an "empire".... **

I believe I stated "But then I entered nursing and discovered that this profession had it's own version of the "good old boy" network that a CRNA friend of mine described as the "evil estrogen empire" which made no conclusions based on that remark which could be extrapolated as approving or endorsing.

**interesting viewpoint is all i will say.**

Thanks! I would hate to bore you or any other person reading this post.

:)

stressednurse · Dec 12, 2003

Well, lets see....Male nurses. Hmm, I can't conjure up a specific certification for that. RN, yes, CCRN, Nurse Anesthetist, OK Nurse Assistant, OK these exist...still surfing. Geeze, there seems to be no gender specifications....wondering why they exist.

Thinking back to where nursing started...........

Well women, we seem to have brought nursing to a level that is appealing to men. Maybe the gender gap is really narrowing in the work environment. Could we look at this as a positive thing instead of constantly fighting it?

Haven't we been striving for equality for the last 50 years or so?

Honestly, I have worked with good and bad women and men in nursing and other fields too, lets just hire the best and keep em.

hbscott · Dec 12, 2003

Originally posted by LPN2Be2004
If i used a reference of "testoserone empire", i'd have 3rd degree burns form the flaming. Just a thought.

I think "Testoserone Tyranny" has better ring to it.

hbscott · Dec 12, 2003

Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy
Honestly, I like women much better. I might get flamed for this, but I hope the male-female ratio doesn't change. Because my guts tell me things won't really get any better if guys ran the show.

So what you are saying is that gender ratios are relevant to the problem stated in the original post?

Marie_LPN, RN, LPN, RN · Dec 12, 2003

Originally posted by hbscott
I think "Testoserone Tyranny" has better ring to it.

Better ring to whom?

Phrases like that, as i said, are only aggravating the existing problem.