Evil Estrogen Empire - The Silent Menace

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As I sit back and reflect on my 23 years of health care employment I mediate on those things that have inspired and discouraged me in these endeavors. In my various roles and responsibilities I would sometimes find myself at odds with "the establishment" and for the most part understood the conflict I encountered.

But then I entered nursing and discovered that this profession had it's own version of the "good old boy" network that a CRNA friend of mine described as the "evil estrogen empire". Granted this is not a flattering term but was a catchy phrase to describe a certain clique in nursing that seemed to resist the idea of men practicing nursing.

I have read countless threads on the various flavors of this subject and can see that there exists substantial difference of opinion on the etiology or even the existence of this phenomenon.

The real question is this, if you accept the premise that men in nursing are subjected to various negative stereotypes, gender bias and other forms of discrimination what is the best approach to redress these grievances.

Should men just ignore the problem and hope that things will get better or should they become more proactive on this issue and attempt to educate others on the consequences of such behavior?

-HBS

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

btw, phrases like "the evil estrogen empire" gets us no where.

Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy

hbscott, you might want to edit your post above with the link to warn that the last link is from an unmoderated board that contains a lot of profanity. Just a respectful suggestion. Didn't bother a heathen like me, but I can see why some would be offended.

Done. Thanks for the recommendation.

-HBS

Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy

btw, phrases like "the evil estrogen empire" gets us no where.

Agreed!

-HBS

Originally posted by 3rdShiftGuy

When it comes to issues of fairness and what is right no one should remain silent. While there may be bigger fish to fry in the area of nursing, fairness, equality and a hostile-free work environment shouldn't be ignored.

Very well said.

-HBS

Specializes in Critical Care,Recovery, ED.

Gender bias has and still does exist in nursing. It was far more rampant (or open) in the pre 1960's and 1970's eras. A significant number of nursing schools wouldn't accept male applicants, others made it very difficult on the males attending. To be fair a lot of males were afraid of entering nursing not from male bashing from the ladies, although it was prevelant. But rather the disdain non nursing males had for any male that entered the nursing profession.

Gender bias is still an issue in all professions and must not be swept under the rug. The trend in this country, at least, is towards the lessening of this bias, lets hope the trend continues.

Let us all work toward eliminating this bias in all walks of life.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.
Originally posted by bellehill

hbscott,

I find it amusing that men are so threatened by a female dominated career when most other careers are male dominated. Perhaps the problem comes from a lack of respect for your co-workers and females in general. I tried very hard to see your point of view in this thread but I can't. I have worked with many male nurses who were proud of their career choices and were wonderful to work with and I have worked with many gay nurses who were wonderful as well.

Please be careful of the links you post on this BB, we don't care to read your smut. I am sorry if you have been mistreated or unhappy with your job. Don't create a stereotype of all women based on your limited experience, unless you have worked in every hospital in every state. Yes there are some nasty nurses, they are nasty to all co-workers regardless of sex.

thank YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

removed by myself.

Perhaps the problem comes from a lack of respect for your co-workers and females in general.

I have shared this link with my female colleagues (physician, nurse and other professionals) and we are having an interesting discussion about the various remarks being posted.

I can assure you that I have the upmost respect for women but what I don't respect are persons who wrongly discriminate and foster hostile work environments.

Respect should be mutual.

-HBS

Originally posted by SmilingBluEyes

thank YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:)

I have tried very hard to understand the various points of view on this subject but to say I should work in "every hospital in the United States" before I can validate a problem seems a bit absurd.

I also don't see how this post was a negative stereotype of women when the original post cited a "certain segment" of nursing. How is that extrapolated to all women in general?

And what data do you use to conclude that I have "limited experience"? This is a false assumption on your part.

I can see by these posts that there exists wide disparity of opinion on this issue which certainly will not help matters for nursing recruitment and retention as the review of professional literature continues to document.

-HBS

Since the issue of my experience has come in to question I provide the following:

My Career Path since I graduated high school has been (23 years of experience in multiple settings):

Navy Hospital Corpsman

Emergency Medical Technician

Surgical Technician (AS)

Surgical Technician - Instructor

Registered Nurse (BSN)

Oncology Clinical Specialist (Certified)

Master's Prepared Nurse Educator (Advanced Degreed with ANCC certification)

Advanced Trauma Life Support Coordinator (American College of Surgeons Certified)

Hospital Based Computer Based Training Administrator

Hospital Computer Applications Information Systems Administrator

Radiology PACS Administrator (Certified)

Hospital Information System's Network Engineer (Certified)

*Currently working on my PhD in Computer Science with a focus in Biometrics.

-HBS

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

Well I see where the dissertation is heading....

best of luck to ya...

ya sound really really bitter to me. too bad. you also sound quite brilliant.

Thank you "SmilingBlueEyes" and yes I do acknowledge some bitterness which I am trying to resolve through careful reflection and prayer. But as I retire from nursing and move on to other things I thought it important to share with you and others my experience.

With All Sincerity, Love & Grace,

-HBS

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