Ever been "fired" by a pt's family? (long)

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I know this sounds negative but bear with me. I'm also venting.

Nowadays, as all of us know, the family's and pt's happiness/"satisfaction"/whatever is a key focus of hospital adminstration. In many places, "ensuring a happy 'client'"-and therefore a positive PG survey- trumps everything else. While maybe a small percentage of complaints are valid, many are not. And nursing seems to have a big bullseye on its back the ____ hits the fan.

The latest trend at my place is this: a family/pt has a "complaint"...and rather than try to resolve it with the appropriate chain of command...they simply demand that the nurse be banned from caring for them ever again. And bc, like I said, of this overwhelming desire to please anyone and everyone, managment backs this up. 9 times out of 10, in my experience, the complaint is something silly like: ice water wasnt brought fast enough, call light rang 2 seconds long than it should have, etc.

I work in the ICU and sometimes when one of these unreasonable demands to jockey assignments comes around, it isnt as easy as it sounds. The charge nurse has to take into account the new nurse's proximity to their other pt (one cant tell the nurses to trade assignments, and have the other half of the assignment clear across the unit) + the stability/difficulty of the other pts, + the skill level of the new nurse (if there are a bunch of machines which he/she isnt qualified to operate). Having been the charge nurse when an issue like this arose, let me say it can be a headache.

All of the staff nurses in my unit find this whole thing ridiculous and laughable. Sometimes we joke about it. "Hey has Bed A's family fired you yet? I got fired last week bc I left them on hold too long on the phone." Stuff like that. In some extreme cases, families have fired multiple nurses, leaving us to wonder if ANYONE would be left to care for their loved one in our unit.

Specific examples of things ppl have been "fired" for in my unit include: a pt calling his wife, even though she wanted him to call her (no joke-she had psych issues); ice water coming too late; not having ice water/chips despite strict NPO orders; apple juice too cold; room temperature too hot/too cold; pt fell out of bed despite restraints and all side rails up (pt not injured in any way); nurse not reading the results of a CT scan to the family (hello, HIPAA); family angry that the doctor hasnt spoken to/updated them, and nurse refusing to call the doc at 2 AM for this reason.

It was a sad day when suddenly families/pts were allowed to dictate daily assignments. Maybe ppl have watch Donald Trump too much on tv...YOU'RE FIRED!

Anyone else in this same boat?

Specializes in Cardiology, Oncology, Medsurge.
I don't care if they fire me. It just means I don't have to take care of them and I'm happy about that.

:smokin::smokin::smokin:

It's like a get out of jail for free card in monopoly!

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

Had a hospice patient fire me one time after hospice admit visit. Had abdominal Ca came home on TPN cause N+V from partial bowel blockage. He's desire was to live 4 wks for HS 50th reunion. "TPN gonna help me live" Honestly told him seen TPN feed tumors, those who went without had less abd pain, swelling, less N+V. ...how dare I say such a thing. Died about 10 days from hospice admission.

Tell em they can always rehire me if needed. ;)

Specializes in ED, ICU, PSYCH, PP, CEN.

Press ganey is so scarey. I don't know what they are gonna come up with next. At my place they decided pts weren't happy enough with hourly rounding so now we are supposed to do rounding every 30 minutes.

It's impossible. If I have a bad trauma come in I might be tied up for an hour or more. If I'm lucky there might be a float nurse to adopt my other pts, but probably not.

Lately some of the doctors are just loading all the patients up on drugs to keep them happy.

I quess this is the best answer. Gork them out so they don't know "nothing"

Specializes in ICU, MICU, SICU.

Haha this reminds me of a funny story. A couple months ago I the nurse for a patient whose family was so crazy it was funny. Always wanting me to call the doctor because dad hadn't pooped in 4 hours, wanting pain medicine when dad says "I feel great" blah blah you get the picture. Well, it was 1 am and the daughter calls, demanding to talk to talk to the doctor right away! I asked what it was concerning and she says "Dad is on a diabetic diet, he needs to be on a regular diet or his sugar will plummet!" Of course this is the man whose sugars are 300-400, lol. I told her she could speak to the doctor in the morning about it and she became irate shouting "you're fired, you're fired". I was getting really frustrated and couldn't hold my tongue anymore, I said "GREAT, finally" and hung up. Lol later on I felt a little embarassed that I lost it, but man it felt awesome!:chuckle

Specializes in CVICU, CCU, MICU, SICU, Transplant.
Haha this reminds me of a funny story. A couple months ago I the nurse for a patient whose family was so crazy it was funny. Always wanting me to call the doctor because dad hadn't pooped in 4 hours, wanting pain medicine when dad says "I feel great" blah blah you get the picture. Well, it was 1 am and the daughter calls, demanding to talk to talk to the doctor right away! I asked what it was concerning and she says "Dad is on a diabetic diet, he needs to be on a regular diet or his sugar will plummet!" Of course this is the man whose sugars are 300-400, lol. I told her she could speak to the doctor in the morning about it and she became irate shouting "you're fired, you're fired". I was getting really frustrated and couldn't hold my tongue anymore, I said "GREAT, finally" and hung up. Lol later on I felt a little embarassed that I lost it, but man it felt awesome!:chuckle

Good for you! I bet it felt good to tell that lady off.

I really dont feel bad about having been "fired" by pt's in the past. Just like others have said, most of the time its a relief. Still, its just the point of being "punished" for something that most likely isnt our fault, or for doing our jobs. Like a prev poster said, catering to unreasonable demands just makes it more likely to happen in the future. THAT is the part that irks me.

Specializes in A little of this & a little of that.

It happens to everyone. I once had a LTC patient call 911 and say I abused him because I assigned an older CNA to give his bath and he wanted the cute teenager. LOL. 29_1_9.gif

Seriously though to the OP: your nurse manager needs to advocate for her people with admin if this issue has reached the point that it's causing such a problem with assignments. Safe care comes above everything else. Some of these issues should be worked out so that you can all do your jobs without zig-zagging all over the unit because of the "firing" issue. Bottom line though is the patient does have the right to refuse care from anyone anytime.

Specializes in tele, oncology.

I had a completely crazy woman fire me from caring for her father once...I put up with more verbal abuse in that one hour than I had in the entire previous year. It gave me great satisfaction when she came out looking for a pillow and blanket (for her, not the patient) and I was the one she asked...I just sweetly replied, "I'm sorry, but due to a family request, I am no longer allowed to participate in care associated with Mr. X." And then proceeded to completely ignore her as she screamed at me, eventually getting up and walking off to get a cup of coffee for myself and then heading into the break room.

Yep, I also got fired from a hospice pt's case by the family who was leaving the bedridden pt alone!! She told me I had nerve bothering her at work after I called and told her to get home as it was unsafe and WRONG to leave bedbound pt home alone. She got to the house, informed me that her GARDENER was around, and I could leave. WOW!! I was taken off case, don't know what happened. But you know, it really ticks me off that my manager told me she apologized to the family member. WHAT!?!? I've also gotten fired a few times from pts at the hospital. Whatev. This is not Club Med, I am not your waitress, and no, I am not going to get you coffee, fill the cup halfway, add 1% milk til it's a half inch from the top of the cup, and then reheat it in the microwave for 45 secs. There's coffee on your tray. Drink that or go without. :icon_roll

Specializes in LTC.
Yep, I also got fired from a hospice pt's case by the family who was leaving the bedridden pt alone!! She told me I had nerve bothering her at work after I called and told her to get home as it was unsafe and WRONG to leave bedbound pt home alone. She got to the house, informed me that her GARDENER was around, and I could leave. WOW!! I was taken off case, don't know what happened. But you know, it really ticks me off that my manager told me she apologized to the family member. WHAT!?!? I've also gotten fired a few times from pts at the hospital. Whatev. This is not Club Med, I am not your waitress, and no, I am not going to get you coffee, fill the cup halfway, add 1% milk til it's a half inch from the top of the cup, and then reheat it in the microwave for 45 secs. There's coffee on your tray. Drink that or go without. :icon_roll

OMG and I thought I was the only nurse who was given specific orders on how to fix coffee. Had an assignment where an extremely borderline personality type had access to all the coffee fixin's and said "Wait...I am going to tell you exactly how to fix my coffee". I told her "Your coffee is at your table and you are welcome to fix it however you like." I walked away to see to other residents and she yelled after me "I'm going to call Find-a-Nurse [that's what she calls Nursefinders, lmao] and report you!" I said, "Let me get you that number." :yeah:

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