Euthanasia is a very touchy subject, especially within the medical field. As a healthcare advocate, it is our job as professionals to better the lives of our patients. What happens when there is nothing more you can do?
I understand, being a Home Health Aide that works a lot with Hospice, that comfort care is important. But truly, when a suffering patient looks to you to ease the pain what do you do? Should you apologize and say their is nothing more I can do?
I can hardly say no more treats to my cat when he gives puppy dog eyes, much less a patient dying alone of cancer. In my opinion, for what it is worth, Euthanasia is most certainly not murder and should never be referred to as such.
If Euthanasia was legal, but very strict in regulations and rules, it would be very beneficial to many terminally ill patients. This may be the only healthcare decision a patient makes within their life, and they should be allowed to make such a decision when conditions permit. We all have choices in this world, what gives you or I the right to take such choices away from someone in such a situation.
What is your opinion? Do you agree or disagree? Do you have a story, personal or not that pertains to this topic?
I'm not changing my mind on PTP or DNR or Euthanasia or Assisted 'Ide.
And it is illegal, they can put people into psych wards involuntary for 72 hr, 14 day, and 90 day and beyond holds, and that can include idealation. They can be forced to go to court and get orders to keep them there. Police can watch them and put them into restraints while there including ordering them to go to one based off what they say or act.
So that changes bc it's a healthcare provider instead thinking/doing 'Ides? Double standards at play..
Social workers can deal with finances... as if people can pay bills, ect while inpatient... not. Try getting a hold of a phone and your cards while there.
Knew I'd get some frustrated replies with what I wrote based off reading the poll and some posts here. Truth is, most of the public is against euthanasia/assisted suicide. Some people consider DNR passive euthanasia
Holy crap. When did suicide get abbreviated, and how on earth did you become so incredibly misinformed?
The frustration is not from the difference of opinion. It's from your lack of understanding on (1) the legality of suicidal IDEATION (not "idealation") and definitions related to involuntary holds, (2) your lack of understanding that life is a terminal condition, and (3) the fact that as health care providers, those of us who have actually gone to school and been licensed, or who have become providers of healthcare through other means, such as CNAs, LEGALLY AND ETHICALLY MUST RESPECT A DNR.
People die. They get old. They get sick. They get injured. They get really messed up by god knows what, and they die. They can refuse treatment when they decide the time has come.
Please tell me Ashton Kutcher is about to pop out from behind my iPhone.
I agree with your entire quote except I have no idea what this means.
Ashton Kutcher did a show called Punked, where he'd play pranks on celebrities. There were some pretty hilarious ones. I think it was in the early 2000s?
She's saying that suicidal ideation is illegal, you can be locked up against your will for an indeterminate amount of time, with a social worker doing a crappy job of handling your finances and never being allowed access to your money or a phone. She says if it's a healthcare provider with suicidal ideation and they don't get locked up, that's a double standard. And then she says DNR really is passive euthanasia.
She's saying that suicidal ideation is illegal, you can be locked up against your will for an indeterminate amount of time, with a social worker doing a crappy job of handling your finances and never being allowed access to your money or a phone. She says if it's a healthcare provider with suicidal ideation and they don't get locked up, that's a double standard. And then she says DNR really is passive euthanasia.
I see. Excuse me while I go bang my head against a wall.
If you Google DNR and euthanasia/assisted 'ide (yes, I'm not using the full word), you'll see it can sometimes be called passive euthanasia bc although it's not hastening death, it's choosing not to save a person from death with CPR.
If, e.g., you have a car accident and people call 911 on you, the police who come can put a person involuntarily in a psych ward based off what they say and haul them away in an ambulance in restraints... for 72 hr minimum. Also, if you're lost or confused or say certain things at a person's house at night, they can do the same thing. In psych wards, you have to do anything they say or can get threatened with having to stay there longer w/ court orders, ect, and forced drugs... If you aren't eating, they can force you to eat or stay longer. The police commit people all of the time if they say things to them, and that can include ideation. If you think not, try saying to police you have ideations, see what they do. Better yet, have people call 911 on you. Prepare to see a psych ward in 90% of cases bc it is illegal. Just sayin'
It seems a double standard that people can do euthanasia/assisted suicide and not be put into a psych ward for it bc in a different situation, they would, though that doesn't mean they can't be forced on psychotropics, ect while inpatient. It's still suicide, yet it's "legal" bc healthcare providers are doing it/involved.
If you Google DNR and euthanasia/assisted 'ide (yes, I'm not using the full word), you'll see it can sometimes be called passive euthanasia bc although it's not hastening death, it's choosing not to save a person from death with CPR.
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No, it's not choosing to not save a person with CPR. If someone has a DNR as an advance directive, that choice has already been made. The healthcare professionals did not make the decision to make someone a DNR. The patient or their medical POA made that decision. Again, it seems you do not understand what an advance directive is.
And just because you can google something, that doesn't make it true. If you think that's how the Internet works, then you've been doing it wrong.
It seems a double standard that people can do euthanasia/assisted suicide and not be put into a psych ward for it bc in a different situation, they would, though that doesn't mean they can't be forced on psychotropics, ect while inpatient. It's still suicide, yet it's "legal" bc healthcare providers are doing it/involved.
Are you saying that healthcare staff who don't code a DNR patients are performing euthanasia and/or assisted 'Ide? And, further, that you believe these workers ought to be committed to a psych ward??
Do you realize that coding a patient you know to be DNR is a crime?
ixchel
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Holy crap. When did suicide get abbreviated, and how on earth did you become so incredibly misinformed?
The frustration is not from the difference of opinion. It's from your lack of understanding on (1) the legality of suicidal IDEATION (not "idealation") and definitions related to involuntary holds, (2) your lack of understanding that life is a terminal condition, and (3) the fact that as health care providers, those of us who have actually gone to school and been licensed, or who have become providers of healthcare through other means, such as CNAs, LEGALLY AND ETHICALLY MUST RESPECT A DNR.
People die. They get old. They get sick. They get injured. They get really messed up by god knows what, and they die. They can refuse treatment when they decide the time has come.
Please tell me Ashton Kutcher is about to pop out from behind my iPhone.