Ethics Violation-Would you remain silent or challenge the system?

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Today I was labeled a "whistleblower and tattletail because I, along with numerous other students, witnessed a table of individuals cheating on an exam in our Anatomy and Physiology class which is a major pre-req into entrance into the nursing program. One of the individuals completed the exam and recieved it back, and took the test back to the table where she distributed all the correct answers to them, in which they in turn proceeded to change all their previous answers. In absolute boldness, one of the girls said quite loudly, "what is the answer to the last one?", and the first individual read off the answers to her. The proffessor does not proctor the exams. He simply hands them out and grades them as soon as you complete them, and then hands them back with the right answers corrected in. He does not wait until each student has completed the exam to pass out the results. Nor does he cruise the classroom to make sure that everyone is done before begining a new lecture. I felt that this was a major loophole that obviously a table of students had taken advantage of. In his syllabus he states that SUSPICION of cheating will result in failure of the exams.

Because at least 15 other students witnessed the cheating as well, we held a brief meeting about the issue and I told them I would address the professor since I was sitting next to the students and saw the entire situation. After class myself and another student asked to speak to the professor in confidentiality. The accussed students had caught wind earlier that they were going to be outted and had actually stuck around in the classroom to see who the individuals were. After they left, I told the proffessor what I and the other students had witnessed. He shrugged his shoulders nonchalantly and told me there was nothing he could do since he didn't see it happening and that next time I would have to tell him while it is happening. He also stated "and if they cheated on the last exam it didn't help them much because they made a 55". They recieved a 98 (which is an A) on today's test that they cheated on. The proffessor regarded me with an "I could careless" attitude and proceeded to pack his things. He did not ask me any questions about who else was involved, raised no concern that he is passing CHEATING students with an A into a highly competitive medical program who are in direct violation of the Colleges Code of Ethics. As I left with the other student, we noticed that the accused were actually waiting on us to leave and procceeded to follow us and threaten us for telling on them. They cautioned that I had better mind my own business and continued with verbal harrassment to the point I had to use profanity to stop them from FOLLOWING ME TO MY CAR. This incident has been brought to the proffessors attention by more than one occasion and he has not taken any steps in changing the testing process.

There is going to be a pending investigation involving the students and the facult member who is now KNOWINGLY aiding them in their attempts to fraud the system. Nursing is a limited access program and is based solely on a point based system. Only sixty of 250 students are admitted each fall and to think that a group of UNQUALIFIED individuals are cheating their way to an open slot is a dissapointment to the College's Mission Statement. We do NOT NEED THESE TYPES OF PEOPLE IN CHARGE OF THE PUBLIC'S HEALTH! These are not leaders, these are not nurses. How would you feel if the doctor who was about to diagnose you had cheated is way through medical school? We have got to crack down on academic dishonesty and stop allowing it to continue because it's easy to turn the other cheek. How would you feel if you sacrificed work and family to dedicate yourself into getting into the nursing program, only to find out that there weren't enough slots, and the people who got in CHEATED their way in.

I am sorry for the detail but it is the only way to explain the severity of the situation. As professionals in the field who have worked very hard to get where you are, what would you have done?

To the OP, I had a smiliar situation when I took Anatomy. We had lab practical exams (bones/muscles and such where we had to name what was tagged). These kind of exams are probably hard to watch what everyone is doing as there is a lot of movement going on, but absolutely no talking. Anyway I saw a student (who had failed Anatomy previously and was already a nursing student) cheating by having a kleenex in her hand with words/pictures on it. I knew that the professor wouldn't be able to do much without witnessing it, but I sure as heck told her. There are way too many people who studied there butts off to pass those exams. The person who cheated found out that I said something and ended up confronting me about it in the middle of lab, several weeks later, in a very immature way. She put her hand in my face and was talking to me very snotty in front of my lab partners. I then put my hand in her face and asked her how she liked it and then she actually punched me! It was ridiculous, I left the class (crying :(

Granted, she wouldn't be the most professional nurse but I would rather someone bold enough to be an advocate for me especially if she knows something isn't right. Don't be jealous cause you're not woman enough to cheat. LOL! For ex: A doctor thats inexperienced may be pushing for a particular surgery or treatment on my elderly mother just to get practice or what not. But this nurse may pull me to the side and tell me don't allow this to go on! She doesn't have to give me the specifics but etc. And my mother survives another 2 or 3 decades, b/c i was referred to take her to a different doctor. Now a lot of you may that's unethical because what qualifies her to give that info. She's not an M.D.;however, she assists this doc and knows about his patient outcomes on this particular surgery/treatment.

The nurse is aggressive but an upside to that trait is that she wont let MDs or any other mess over her patients

lol, I really should be studying nursing geriatrics, but i couldn't help but reply. Rebox's opinion on cheating is shady, and he gives extreme rare examples of someone who is caring for family etc and didn't have time to study as an excuse for cheating.

Cheating is a symptom of dishonesty, and they know the risks involved with cheating. So if they get caught they brought it onto themselves. No it does not mean 100 % they will be bad nurses later on BUT the risks are higher that they will behave unethically as a future nurse and if it was up to me, i wouldn't want them as my nurse either, if they cheated through school and learned nothing. We are talking about taking care of people's lives, something that cannot be replaced by money, which comes with great responsibility.

I've been both an A student and a D student, and the amount of knowledge between the two is profound.:trout:

Extreme rare examples of someone who is caring for a family and didn't have time to study as an excuse for cheating. How extreme? How rare? Everyone is not living the American dream with a white pickett fence surrounding a 4 bedroom house, 2 cars, staying in a nice safe upscale neighborhood. Living w/o any financial worries. Living w/o worrying if there going to make ends-meet. That's exactly whats wrong with suburbia today. Are u from Orange county or from somewhere over the rainbow where the things that u dare to dream really do come true?

At least I can say that u put that cheating is not 100% factor in determinating if someone will be a bad Nurse. Good I'm getting some progress. But the risks are higher that they will behave unethically. Question: By how much? Is it an 30% increase? What?

Today's lesson: What you consider unethical may not be unethical for another person. It doesn't make you right and them wrong.

For ex: After hurricane Katrina, the break of the levees and etc. A man who could not swim was hanging on a dead body as though it was a floatation device. The dead body was someone's father, nephew, cousin, son, uncle, etc. The family member would probably say, " Oh my God not uncle Louiee" Why is he hanging on him like that, get off! (crying) Its unethical but desperate times call for desperate measures. You have to be a survivor.

Last, I want to know what nursing school did you attend to in order to even think that an indivdual could graduate by not knowing nothing. Please tell me so the whole forum can Know not to apply to that nursing school. Wait a minute that may be some type of violaton relating to confidentiality, defamation, slander or whatever. I guess that's just your little secret.

CritterLover, I love your signature! I hope people seriously think about that quote. Pretty much sums up how I feel about cheating!

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critterlover, i love your signature! i hope people seriously think about that quote. pretty much sums up how i feel about cheating!

thank you!! it was actually this thread that prompted me to post it :)

And as Grandma used to say "if everyone else jumped off of the bridge, would you?"

There is no excuse for cheating, whether it's planned or not. So because someone didn't plan on cheating, then that makes it ok (whether the professor cares or not)?

Let's not forget that some schools have an honor code. (whether the professor "cares" or not) If someone can't live up to an honor code, then how can anyone expect them to abide by the laws of the SB, and policy and procedure of the facility they work for.

If you didn't receive your pain medication, and you found out your nurse documented that they gave it to you, i highly doubt that knowing about the circumstances in the nurse's personal life will amount to a hill of beans when you're laying there in pain.

Basically and you would too! I couldn't live by myself on earth, esp. knowing that there an under water habitat better for humans b/c the ozone layer has semi depleted a way. No seriously let me be realistic.

Let's not forget that some schools have an honor code. Back to the traffic law scenario. How many times have you slipped up esp. when everyone else on the interstate is going 65mph. The police doesn't stop them but he stops you. He asks maam do you know how fast you were going? Your saying in your head. I was just flowing with the traffic.

I agree with you about falsifying documentation, b/c i would be fill in the blank_________. My thesis statement behind this all is that cheating on ONE PREQUISITE EXAM hardly qualifies someone to say that a future nurse will AUTOMATICALLY falsify documents or just be unethical. You can argue and debate my dumb analogies & time wasting anecdotes BUT NO ONE CAN BREAK MY THESIS STATEMENT. So stop trying to convince me your right and stop using numbers against me to reassure yourselves. There could be 1 billion other people disagreeing with what I'm saying but I know my thesis statement is right.

Specializes in ICU, ER, HH, NICU, now FNP.

oh my god this last post just made me LAUGH!

Some people live on their own little planet eh?

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I'm sorry to here about your financial difficulties. You stated that you dont believe that anyones on a high horse but right after that statement you put You live by a different standard than I. (huh, could that be PRIDE)

How were you able to live by a different standard than I? Was it a personal choice? Before you were $40K in debt, how was your child hood? Did your parents guide you in the right direction? Are did you grow up moving from foster home to group home, being abused, misguided?

Everyone doesnt have the luxury of having parents to instill values in them. A child that's been abused and poverished may come to look at the world as every man for himself. Simply just trying to survive. That doesn't mean they lack ethical values for cheating on a test. They may see the professor's attitude and say well if he doesnt care why should I. Im gone make sure i study in nursing school though.

As far as I'm concerned Sally saw there was no consequence to the cheating b/c the professor (authority) didn't care. Sally was willing to face the music. When? When she had all ready planned to study harder b/c the comprehensive final exam was sure to come soon. Why shouldnt the tattle teller feel partly responsible when she's the one seeking for a harsh consequence. Trust me no one could make it through SUSON by cheating. If its not directly involved with potential patient harm or school reputation dont bother reporting. Trust me, I think the Nursing school staff are competent enough to weed out the individuals who cant handle it.

The easy way out: Let's say 2 freshman love biology. One takes professor X. The other takes professor Y. It's possible for both students to come out learning around the same amount of material yet one of the freshman now dreads biology and the other still loves biology. Plus one freshman has a C in the class, the other an A. Why b/c one professor has a different teaching style. X is strict having a quiz every class, essay test, etc. Y is more involved with Lab and relates more to students in real life situations interactive, plus makes jokes during class. Both students have other classes and a social life maybe even a job. If both come out learning around the same amount of information. Why put up with the unnecessary stress?

I keep reading excuses and seeing blame-shifting here. Don't you realize how much more effort it takes--and how much more it costs!--to lie and cheat than to simply study or take a makeup test?

But you've changed the argument. You need to go back and reread the original post with the original circumstances. This has become a thread about whether or not it's right to cheat, and under what circumstances it's right to cheat.

Life has dealt me a few serious curves, and the fact that I got through them without cheating boosted my self-esteem and my pride. I believe that it's OK to be proud of an achievement, and not cheating when all the cards are stacked against you is an achievement.

Extreme rare examples of someone who is caring for a family and didn't have time to study as an excuse for cheating. How extreme? How rare? Everyone is not living the American dream with a white pickett fence surrounding a 4 bedroom house, 2 cars, staying in a nice safe upscale neighborhood. Living w/o any financial worries. Living w/o worrying if there going to make ends-meet. That's exactly whats wrong with suburbia today. Are u from Orange county or from somewhere over the rainbow where the things that u dare to dream really do come true?

For ex: After hurricane Katrina, the break of the levees and etc. A man who could not swim was hanging on a dead body as though it was a floatation device. The dead body was someone's father, nephew, cousin, son, uncle, etc. The family member would probably say, " Oh my God not uncle Louiee" Why is he hanging on him like that, get off! (crying) Its unethical but desperate times call for desperate measures. You have to be a survivor.

I am absolutely astonished that someone would actually DEFEND cheating.

There is an enormous difference between clinging to a dead body to survive and cheating on an exam.

You are correct. Not everyone has the perfect circumstances. For many of us, school is a struggle. You pinch and save, you apply for any money you can get your hands on, you see your kids less and less, you have to quit jobs, etc. But, that is a CHOICE you are making. NO ONE is FORCING you to go to school. If you make that choice, then you are obligated to 'play by the rules'.

The students in this senario made the choice to cheat on the exam. Perhaps they didn't have time to study. Maybe their kid got sick, their house burnt down, they went into labor, they got into a MVA, their mother died, they got put in jail, they had to work extra hours or lose their job (or lose their house) etc, etc, etc. All good excuses - but excuses none the less. The point is, people make the decsion to enter into a school program with the inherent knowledge of both their circumstances (ie: single mom with extremely limited finances) and as we all know life does happen (eg: getting into a car accident, losing your job, getting pregnant). None of those things are justifiers to skirt the system.

As everyones grandmother has said at one point or another - "Who said life is fair?" It isn't. But regardless of your circumstances Cheating isn't the equalizer.

It's really very simple...it is NEVER alright to cheat.

Karma will catch up to you....and it won't be pleasant when it happens.

To the OP....good for you! We don't need cheaters as our future nurses....sure don't want them taking care of me or mine! The nursing program that I attended had a very strict honor code....violate it and you were gone.

Another poster...sorry this is a long thread....used my Grandmother's favorite saying....Winners never cheat, and cheaters never win! Another one of her favorites....cheaters never prosper! Grandma was a wise lady....I'll continue to live by her example instead of another that was offered here. My THESIS: Cheating = Temptation....the opportunity to choose between right or wrong.

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That's silly. Saying that you can justify cheating because if you don't you'll lose your house and car? How is cheating on a test going to help her pay her bills that are IMMEDIATELY DUE? It doesn't!

Tests do not test your ability to understand the material, it tests your ability to be able to RECALL it with accuracy and use the information you learned and put it to application.

You can't cheat on the state boards, so you can't cheat in school.

I just wonder how many slots are taken up every year with students who cheated their way through pre-reqs only to drop out because they can't cheat their way through clinicals....when someone else that didn't cut corners should have taken their place.

There is NEVER as justifyable reason to cheat. Ever!

I went to a school that very often tested the integrity of students, as we had an extremely strong honor system. The Dean would drop a $100 bill randomly on campus in the morning, and was always able to go by and pick it up at the end of the day. No one dared touch it.

Um, could you share the name and address of the school, and is this particular Dean still randomly dropping $100 bills around campus?:p

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I believe that it's OK to be proud of an achievement, and not cheating when all the cards are stacked against you is an achievement.

This is so well-said. Bore repeating IMO.

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Kudo's to you. It does my heart good to know that integrity is alive and active. Hold on to it because wyou will probably have to go to that well again, both in your professional and private life!!!!!!!!!!

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