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Who should get in? Atheist: Who ever is luck enough? CHristian: Whom ever has God's favor? So if your not a christian, you may be atheist. If your not lucky you wont get in. So therefore the denied applicant may be an unlucky atheist. Life is not fair. I cant really describe it. Just read the post I posted before that one.

He changed the argument in a way in which it was impossible to win. I changed it in such a way that if he was a christian it would be hard to argue with much I said, but I did say that the argument would never stand in the court of law. (in that area you can also plug in college admission criteria)He used my own premises against me. I used his choice of words against him. He didn't say who deserved to be in the program. He said who would survive the program. Who should be chosen? So who deserves to get in? Is it the smart person who earned his grade or the person smart enough to cheat at the right time? And the answer is....(DRUM ROLL) The person who is smart enough to earn his grade and wise enough to know when to choose his/her battles. This battle was not hers especially when the professor didn't care,esp when its only one pre req testt, esp. when there's no direct potential for patient harm and no potential for negative reputation for school. The battle it's not yours it's the Lord's.

He didn't 100% go off who deserved to be accepted in the program. He said who would survive the program and who should be chosen to fill the last slots. He denied ethics as well. He also gave an example of probability by saying there are some cheaters who would be worst nurses there would be some cheaters that would be better nurses. 1rst of all some cheaters had to survive the program and pass the boards in order to even be called nurse in the 1rst place. That's why I said I would flip a coin. Obviously you are missing the pt. Why should the mega rich get a tax brake, and the poor have to pay taxes. Why should people be harassed at airports b/c of the actions of a few terrorists. Why should I be stopped frequently while driving just b/c I look younger than 17 even though I earned my drivers license. I'm trying to come up with better analogies but I can't right now. But I'm sure you can. I dont want to underestimate your intelligence.

A student who cheats in prereq classes will frequently fail out of the nursing program. Did you mean a student who frequently cheats in prereq classes will fail out of the nursing program. Or did you mean a student who cheats in prereq. classes will flunk out of nursing school shortly after the student's acceptance? I am glad to see that inspite of your trials/tribulations youve managed to keep yourself in the right direction. This isn't the Tonys or Oscars so I guess your reward is in heaven. This amounts to time,a waste of energy and money. Whose time, energy, and money is it wasting? Certainly not yours. Cheating increases their odds of failing the board exams. Does it increase your odds of failing the exam as well. No! So why are you worried about it? Ge

Psalm 37: Fret not thyself b/c of evildoers, neither be thou envious against the workers of iniquity. (For the tattle-teller) For they shall soon be cut down like the grass, and wither as the green herb. (hopefully the habitual cheaters) Delight thyself also in the Lord; and he shall give thee the desires of thine heart. ( acceptance into nursing school) If you are truly a child of God you have nothing to worry about. If I was one of the judges of admission I would flip a coin to determine who should fill the last slots. Why b/c when I was in nursing school most of the peers I knew cheated on at least ONE PRE REQ. test. Somehow they've managed to survive the program b/c we are all alumni class of "xx. Remember you put ethics aside. As for the unlucky atheist, life is unfair. If you dont understand what I'm saying feel free to ask questions.

I meant to put that nursing school would weed out Habitual cheaters. Now that you've changed the whole argument around I am going to have to think harder. Let's see, we're not dealing with ethics but survival of the program. I guess I can just pick my face up off the floor or get my foot out of my mouth. This takes me back to my 1rst post. What was her motive for reporting the cheaters? She was jealous and tried to hide that emotion by using ethics as an excuse to seem chilvary-like. Bare with me b/c I think differently. This argument may never hold up in the court of law but this is what I believe. Who should get into the last available slots? atheist: Who ever is lucky enough to get chosen? Christian: (that's me) Whom ever has God's favor> This is how I see things? If you are doing your part God will acknowledge that and therefore you have nothing to worry about. If you have a close relationship w/ God &studied but still didn't get in. It's for your good. That means it wasn't your time, something bad could have happened, God has something else planned for your life,etc.

Some professors don't allow tape recording. Dont worry b/c eventually you will develop your own shorthand style of taking notes. Just don't write stuff down. Try to understand what you are writing down along with what the professor is saying. If its too demanding? 1rst: tell professor to repeat or could you slow down please! 2nd: Ask questions and verify. 3rd: Always get at least 3 other students numbers so you all can compare notes or get information from one another if one fails to show up to class. Most times just listen to the professor & write only necessary stuff. Like things the professor stress will more than likely be on the test.

Writing is my pet peeve. I Hate writing essays, research papers,etc. with a passion. That's is one of the reasons why I'm behind in school. It's not that I have bad grammar or even bad ideas for that matter. I have a hard time putting what I have in my head down on paper. I'm a perfectionist. I overwhelm myself with multiple revising/editing. Im the sort of person that will tell you what I have to say instead of writing it down. I'm in a BSN program. About 7 short essays in fresh comp. Only required 5 paragraphs with a three point thesis in the introduction. A research paper in Sociology. A case study in Microbiology,Anatomy,. I've also had to summarize articles but I dont count that as writing original work. For the most part I've been extremely lucky. Freshman composition is a writing class. So I wouldn't suggest takeing a writing course. Your professor should provide you with enough feedback.

AMY 0123... Thanks for Posting those bible scriptures. I've listed that page under my favorites. It almost put me to tears:bluecry1:

Sounds like you will be in Psych Nursing.

You can do it! It's a mind thing. All you have to do is study. I took pre-calculus instead of college math b/c i wasn't sure if i wanted to pursue nursing or pharmacy school. Well the truth of the matter is that I had a weak professor. She could not teach. So I sought after tutoring and studied on my own. It was hard! The whole class struggled but I got through by the grace of God. I got a C. But she taught me if you really want something you are going to have to work hard for it. TALK about a professor who had no teaching skills. She taught everything the hard way and could not break it down. Plus she only gave examples already written out in the book. How can you be good at science and not math? My hardest math class was chemistry. I hated doing all those calculations,steps, and putting in formulas, manipulating formulas to fit special cases,etc. I suggest you take CHEMISTRY as a determining factor if you can handle the other math included in Nursing. Or go for an ADN program so you don't have to take statistics and other math & extra science classes that include more math.

Well, it's a harsh world out there. There are many gimics and scams but this scam is totally preventable. There's no doubt that the business is wrong but I partially blame on the student. Why? There is enough easy attainable information out there. The internet alone has thousands of websites that let you know the difference between the 2 fields. 1.Occupation Outlook Handbook. 2.Google. yahoo search engines. type in: nursing education ma education What do nurses do? What do ma's do? 3.This lovely forum itself provides enough information to distinguish between the two. This spam was totally avoidable.

Last Post! I understand what you all are saying but you are all misunderstanding me. CHEATING IS NOT "OKAY" EVEN UNDER EXTENUATING CIRCUMSTANCES. IS IT 100% NECESSARY FOR HER TO REPORT THE CHEATERS OF A PREREQUISITE TEST? Most say yes it is important. One nurse even boldly declared that cheating on ONE PreREQ test will make you an unethical and incompetent nurse in clinical situations. The original post was should she go report to the upper authorities. My answer is NO!!! Why b/c it's a waste of time. The nursing school should be able to weed out who is appropiate and not. They dont need her help. Unless it deals with direct potential for patient harm or a threat to the school's reputation it is not worth the time. Well at least my time. So cheating is not okay. But giving the circumstances. Professor who doesnt care. Prerequisite. No life or death situation. Why waste Calories and time walking to some upper authority. The upper authority may even look at you like why is he/she wasting my time. There is more pressing stuff I have to deal with right now. I just dont see how you can relate cheating on one test automatically making a nurse unethical & incompetent. Trust me the cheater would not be able to make it through nursing school.

When she replied, making good money for "just" a 2-year degree You should have given her some reasons why you ADN's make good money for just a 2 year degree. No master's degree program whether it be in biology, computer science, or humanities major has to deal with taking care of sick people while putting your ownself at risk for disease... Dealing with bodily fluids, plus making one mistake could kill. I still dont think she meant to come off condescending in that way. But i didn't hear her tone of voice.

Basically and you would too! I couldn't live by myself on earth, esp. knowing that there an under water habitat better for humans b/c the ozone layer has semi depleted a way. No seriously let me be realistic. Let's not forget that some schools have an honor code. Back to the traffic law scenario. How many times have you slipped up esp. when everyone else on the interstate is going 65mph. The police doesn't stop them but he stops you. He asks maam do you know how fast you were going? Your saying in your head. I was just flowing with the traffic. I agree with you about falsifying documentation, b/c i would be fill in the blank_________. My thesis statement behind this all is that cheating on ONE PREQUISITE EXAM hardly qualifies someone to say that a future nurse will AUTOMATICALLY falsify documents or just be unethical. You can argue and debate my dumb analogies & time wasting anecdotes BUT NO ONE CAN BREAK MY THESIS STATEMENT. So stop trying to convince me your right and stop using numbers against me to reassure yourselves. There could be 1 billion other people disagreeing with what I'm saying but I know my thesis statement is right.