Ethel Bauer School of Nursing Phoenix

jamonit · Jan 30, 2007

endswithe. yes, they have acics accredidation, working on NLN (takes time to gain this status). this program was put together with the az state board of nursing's strict insight and criteria. if you look at the az state board page, you will see that they are a recognized ADN program. credits thus far are accepted by u of phoenix and grand canyon. in 9 months, after strict nln review, credits will be applicable to all state universities. granted it is a new program, there is no doubt that it's students should not be allowed to sit for nclex. i graduate from EBSN on the 8th, and am awaiting my ATT from the board. we are the second graduating class and i believe in the education i've received at this institution.

sassiebaz · Jan 30, 2007

endswithe. yes, they have acics accredidation, working on NLN (takes time to gain this status). this program was put together with the az state board of nursing's strict insight and criteria. if you look at the az state board page, you will see that they are a recognized ADN program. credits thus far are accepted by u of phoenix and grand canyon. in 9 months, after strict nln review, credits will be applicable to all state universities. granted it is a new program, there is no doubt that it's students should not be allowed to sit for nclex. i graduate from EBSN on the 8th, and am awaiting my ATT from the board. we are the second graduating class and i believe in the education i've received at this institution.

Jamonit....can you please describe your experience at EBSN. What were clinicals like and what were the hours? Do you feel the education was worth the $$cost? I had considered EBSN but was deterred when Sandy said I may have 12 hour clinical shifts up to 4 days a week-yikes! I do realize that once an RN it is normal to have 12 hour shifts but I wasnt ready to do that with my little being 2 years old.......I'd love to hear what you have to say

Hoozdo, ADN · Feb 1, 2007

Hi all!
We then asked her about NLN accrediting as a few of us want to continue on with our BSN and MSN degree and worry about where we can continue and a few of us want to work at the VA Hospital system and they will not hire RNs who graduate from non-NLN accredited schools. She said that EBSN would not be able to apply for NLN accrediting until they graduated a second class. Our second class of RN students will be graduating in February '07 and she said it would take 6 months or so to obtain the NLN accrediting.
I say nix the VA plans. If you don't have a BSN degree you have little chance for advancement and pay increases there. Starting pay is about 4 bucks below market value and the benefits aren't all than nice. No dental, high insurance drug copays. Lots of vacation, but useless unless you can take any.

jamonit · Feb 4, 2007

sassiebaz--

it's an 18 month program. clinicals times/days per week are all different per semester. you pretty much need to be available when they say jump. however, the clinical sites have been great. we went to the va, healthsouth, mayo hospital, community setting for our community semester (like southwest kidney institute), del web and boswell. the teachers know their stuff and expect a lot. but you will feel ready to contend in the nursing workforce once you complete the program. i do not recommend attempting to work fulltime while getting through. i have friends who did, but it was grueling for them. student loans, pell grants and scholarships through phoenix friendly house are the way to go.

good luck to you, whatever you decide is right for you.

sassiebaz · Feb 4, 2007

sassiebaz--
it's an 18 month program. clinicals times/days per week are all different per semester. you pretty much need to be available when they say jump. however, the clinical sites have been great. we went to the va, healthsouth, mayo hospital, community setting for our community semester (like southwest kidney institute), del web and boswell. the teachers know their stuff and expect a lot. but you will feel ready to contend in the nursing workforce once you complete the program. i do not recommend attempting to work fulltime while getting through. i have friends who did, but it was grueling for them. student loans, pell grants and scholarships through phoenix friendly house are the way to go.
good luck to you, whatever you decide is right for you.

Thanks! I think I will need to put school off for atleast another year unfortunately. But, I think it's best for my family that I wait a little bit longer. Were your clinical hours 8 or 12 hour shifts? what were the days you had clinicals? I know every semester will be different but Im just trying to get an idea. Also, how are the pre-req's that are incorporated into the program? Chem, A&P, algebra....? Are they difficult? Thanks for taking the time to answer my questions. They will only go so far in depth when I talk to the school.

RNfaster · Feb 7, 2007

I am preparing to apply to nursing schools. I am aware of the transfer credit issue that some institutions and diploma schools have. ---BUT --if you are certain you're going to complete your RN with a school like Ethel Bauer --and you can't transfer the credits directly to ASU ---why not just take their RN to BSN program? No need to transfer credits there ---you just need your RN. ---Maybe I have missed something?

On the other hand, I recently talked to some California nurses and they told me to avoid diploma programs as there could be issues if I should want to work in other states (unless I had already completed a BSN.)

Hoozdo, ADN · Feb 7, 2007

I am preparing to apply to nursing schools. I am aware of the transfer credit issue that some institutions and diploma schools have. ---BUT --if you are certain you're going to complete your RN with a school like Ethel Bauer --and you can't transfer the credits directly to ASU ---why not just take their RN to BSN program? No need to transfer credits there ---you just need your RN. ---Maybe I have missed something?
On the other hand, I recently talked to some California nurses and they told me to avoid diploma programs as there could be issues if I should want to work in other states (unless I had already completed a BSN.)

Your missing something Sonora :smiletea:

Your credits have to transfer for an RN to BSN program.....whether to Grand Canyon, ASU, UofA. No BSN if your credits from EB don't transfer. :clown:

sassiebaz · Feb 7, 2007

Your missing something Sonora :smiletea:
Your credits have to transfer for an RN to BSN program.....whether to Grand Canyon, ASU, UofA. No BSN if your credits from EB don't transfer.

I too may be missing something. I do remember someone at EBSN say that Grand canyon was working on accepting their R.N program if there were those that wanted to go on to get a BSN. EBSN doesn't offer a BSN progam though. I was under the impression it was a diploma program. I wouldn't worry what nurses say from other states. as long as you have a license and the state you are wanting to go to has reciprocity I believe there shouldn't be a problem. sure some states it may be harder to get another license but that wouldnt hinder my pursuit of my R.N through a diploma program. I may be wrong about all of this as Im noe expert and Im NOT a nurse (yet)......

AZmom · Feb 7, 2007

My understanding with ASU is that they WILL grant you a certain number of credits (around 35 maybe? -- I don't remember exactly off hand) just for having your RN degree (doesn't matter where it's from). Basically they're crediting the equivalent of most of what's required of THEIR students in the first four semesters after getting into the program.

But what they won't necessarily grant you is credit for your Micro, A&P, Chem, English, math, Psych, and so forth if you took them through a diploma school. And you'll need those for your BSN.

jamonit · Feb 7, 2007

EBSN is not a diploma school. it is an ADN program. so far, as it is too early to be granted NLN aproved status, the two schools that are willing to take RN to BSN students include University of Phoenix and Grand Canyon University. the school is A.C.I.C.S. aproved. My class (the second graduating class from the school) is going to help set precedence for NLN accredidation which takes a while for a new school to establish (as earlier stated).

The school is board certified and will be NLN status asap.

hope that helps.

RNfaster · Feb 8, 2007

My understanding with ASU is that they WILL grant you a certain number of credits (around 35 maybe? -- I don't remember exactly off hand) just for having your RN degree (doesn't matter where it's from). Basically they're crediting the equivalent of most of what's required of THEIR students in the first four semesters after getting into the program.
But what they won't necessarily grant you is credit for your Micro, A&P, Chem, English, math, Psych, and so forth if you took them through a diploma school. And you'll need those for your BSN.

I sure do like this board. I learn a lot from it. I called ASU nursing school a few weeks ago to ask if they accepted credits from the Abrazo diploma program. Previously, someone at the Arizona Board of Nursing told me ASU didn't accept Abrazo credits yet, but that they were working on an arrangement. When I spoke to the ASU rep, she said Abrazo credits were accepted. I now wonder if the rep was glossing over things, and if there are certain restrictions as mentioned above. It sure would be nice to get a clear answer.

:smilecoffeecup:

jamonit · Feb 8, 2007

there's a lot of mumbo-jumbo trying to figure all that stuff out. as it stands, the board has abrazo's school of nursing as a diploma program, which would mean that those credits wouldn't transfer. in my opinion, it's just a matter of time before asu will accept them and that it's most likely fine. if not, you'll get an RN and you can get a BSN through a private university (more expensive, but it's still an option).

let me know how it turns out.