Hi everybody, I'm new to this group. I live in italy but I'm interested to relocate in UK (scotland mainly) with my family, my wife is a nurse too with 13 years of experience. I started my project being sure that in Uk (like in many other countries) nurses haven't any problem to find a job in NHS or private sector. I read hundred of job serch in every site about nursing in UK but You say something different in your discussions so...where is the truth?
It's obvious that uk nurses should be favourite in selection but, are there enough english nurses now to cover uk requests? What about future prospectives? Is it possible to have recognized years of experience in italian nhs to start from a superior pay band?
As I have already said on this forum, you are welcome to come see the students. Teach them how to take a blood pressure, and explain the GCS to them. Watch them trying to figure out a drug chart, and decide what to write in their report when they are clearly unsafe.
I would have thought they could be taught basics in school, and earlier than their final placement, but obviously not.
I am still not clear what exactly they DO get taught, maybe someone can elighten me.
In the meantime, I would be grateful if you could refrain from being rude, until you have seen the students and experienced their dangerous level of ignorance.
Do NOT attack me because I am stuck with substandard students. Maybe you can put effort into constructive suggestions that I can pass on to the university instead.
Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
Guys settled down and remember the Terms of Service if the site.
I have experienced both good and bad students since I started my training in the 80's from both how it used to be when nursing schools existed to when universities took over. It will happen just a shame that universities do not ask their mentors and hospitals trained staff for constructive feed back that doesn't attack individual students but look at ways that need improvements
Skylark from reading this thread it seems clear your opinion is fixed that UK nursing is 2nd rate.
Your report of having to study to take the nclex due to new information, was this because it wasn't covered by direct instruction/assesment at the time or you didn't think to use your own initaive to guide your own learning.
Current students could the lack of comptence displayed be due to students not getting apprioate support instruction from mentors. Or from students being used as a pair of hands on very busy wards?.
"rechecks the temp with a second thermometer and documents findings. Obtains blood cultures while at the same time siting an IV access device, in anticipation of receiving orders for IV fluids and anti-pyretics. Explains to the patients the need to also obtain sputum, stool, and urine specimens. Considers isolating the patients if symptoms justify this. Contacts the doctor to inform and also request prescriptions. Commences a fluid balance chart, and documents all actions."
Right I know I should probably leave well alone but feel the need to add my two pennorth. Skylark i'm old school but unlike you're anticipated response if my pt spiked a temp, in addition to re-checking the temp, I would do a full set of obs, prescribe the anti-pyretic myself, site two cannula's if obs indicated sepsis whilst taking blood for a baseline set, venous gas, and lactate, set up a request for chest xray, whip off a quick ECG and ask a Doc to review. Simple standard stuff.
I understand and sympathise with your comments on the failings in UK nurse training but feel your generalisations undermine the points you are making. My personal views are that the first year post-qualifying is the time that UK nurses learn most and feel that my role as a mentor is to fill the many gaps that new nurses have. I am proud to be a UK nurse.
'My personal views are that the first year post-qualifying is the time that UK nurses learn most and feel that my role as a mentor is to fill the many gaps that new nurses have. I am proud to be a UK nurse'
A very wise Sister once said that newly qualified nurses were like budding flowers. Nurtured and cared for, they would blossom.
My view is that student nurses probably don't get enough meaningful clinical time. We get them on placement in the third year and there can be problems with their knowledge base.
As a mentor I see it as my job to encourage, guide and teach in a supportive way, not to castigate or blame. They are what we make them. If I have problems with a student then we action plan, involve the uni and generally work with the student.
Now I'm not saying it's perfect because it isn't, but we try to make the best of what we have.
Specializes in Spinal Cord injuries, Emergency+EMS.
a significant part of the problem is where mentors do not ensure that students actually undertake the activities they are required to do to meet their practice placement outcomes.
skylark, BSN, RN
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As I have already said on this forum, you are welcome to come see the students. Teach them how to take a blood pressure, and explain the GCS to them. Watch them trying to figure out a drug chart, and decide what to write in their report when they are clearly unsafe.
I would have thought they could be taught basics in school, and earlier than their final placement, but obviously not.
I am still not clear what exactly they DO get taught, maybe someone can elighten me.
In the meantime, I would be grateful if you could refrain from being rude, until you have seen the students and experienced their dangerous level of ignorance.
Do NOT attack me because I am stuck with substandard students. Maybe you can put effort into constructive suggestions that I can pass on to the university instead.
Thank you. PM me when you want to give it a try.