EEK! There's a MAN in my room!

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At my facility, some residents have tried to avoid care from employees who are African American as a matter of policy. Usually, they say, "I don't want a [unrepeatable] working with me!" When this happens, they get a looooong talk from management, who explains in no uncertain terms that they *will* be cared for by *whomever* happens to be assigned to them, and if this is unacceptable they are more than welcome to transfer to another facility.

At this same facility, I have some residents who say "I don't want a MAN working with me!" When this happens, the men get a looooong talk from management, who explains in no uncertain terms that residents have *rights* and we will need to juggle assignments and if this is unacceptable they are more than welcome to transfer to another facility.

I don't "get" why we don't tolerate the first form of discrimination but actively embrace the second. I've been told it isn't my problem (I'm female) and maybe I need some sensitivity training (patients' rights) or some Cognitive Behavioral Therapy (belief adjustment).

The traditional definition of discrimination says it can only take place against oppressed groups. It's only about what happens to people in the disempowered classes, like women. The traditional definition addresses groups.

The new definition involves "disparate treatment" or "disparate impact". This is intentionally treating an individual (like a male employee) less favorably than another individual (like a female employee) in the same circumstances. This definition addresses individuals.

I see in nursing education that a male nursing student who is not provided with the opportunity to help female patients is not receiving the same level of education and training as his female peers, and this is unethical. (Bala Shark, https://allnurses.com/forums/f213/instructor-not-letting-me-get-female-patients-during-clincal-138135.html )

In nursing practice, I'm seeing that a male nursing employee (CNA, in my case) is not allowed to work with the 97-pound person who has rights, and seems to end up with the 306 pound person who has C-diff. Looks like "disparate treatment" or "disparate impact" to me.

Is this ... ethical? I feel like I should be doing something, or saying something to somebody, hence this post.

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.
Trust me, they dont like male doctors or male med students either.

On the L&D service, all males are screwed regardless of their position.

Yes, and this includes the father of their child. There are a lot of women that are pretty much down on the entire gender while they are birthing, because they are the one's cursed with pain monthly, for nine loooong miserable months, and excrutiating pain during birth, while we just stand there and watch. Woe is the poor father who doesn't say the right thing while the mother of his child is birthing. :lol2:

Do patients have the RIGHT to request a female nurse/provider? Yes

Do patients have the RIGHT have their request granted? NO.

Do patients have the right to refuse any handling by a non-female? YES

Some of you guys are getting confused between rights and privileges. If a hospital decides to comply with a patient's request for a female, thats a privilege, not a right. You cant sue a hospital because they didnt give you a female provider. You can sue them if a male nurse touches you without your consent.

Hospitals are free to tell the patient that they wont comply with any gender requests and tell them to go elsewhere, even in the emergency room. EMTALA laws cover only the provision of emergency services, it says nothing about requiring the hospitals to provide females to all those who request them.

Do patients have the RIGHT to request a female nurse/provider? Yes

Do patients have the RIGHT have their request granted? NO.

Do patients have the right to refuse any handling by a non-female? YES

Some of you guys are getting confused between rights and privileges. If a hospital decides to comply with a patient's request for a female, thats a privilege, not a right. You cant sue a hospital because they didnt give you a female provider. You can sue them if a male nurse touches you without your consent.

Hospitals are free to tell the patient that they wont comply with any gender requests and tell them to go elsewhere, even in the emergency room. EMTALA laws cover only the provision of emergency services, it says nothing about requiring the hospitals to provide females to all those who request them.

Interesting.

either way, kmc, time to move on.

when one believes in their principle, they don't require validation.

so please, let it go.

leslie

Woe is the poor father who doesn't say the right thing while the mother of his child is birthing. :lol2:

My daughter had a long, wicked labor. But she was very stoic, nary a peep out of her. I only heard her scream once when, in the midst of 4+ hours of pushing, Dad leaned over and said, "I'm hungry, mind if I go get a snack?"

I can't repeat her response :lol2:

Specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

Sorry to offend those posters above, but this discussion is now over and we're moving on as is suggested above. Thanks.

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