Doula Thoughts on L&D (long)

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[color=#202020]deep doula thoughts

[color=#202020](or ‘things that make you go “huh”?’)

[color=#202020]by stephanie soderblom cd cld ccce cbc

[color=#202020]i am a doula. what this means is that i have spent the last 10 years helping moms and dads become moms and dads. i like to call doulas, “people helping people out of people”. however, over the years i’ve seen many practices that are “standard” and “routine” that i have found just doesn’t make sense at best, and appear dangerous at worst.

[color=#202020]the following are some of my thoughts on some of the routine procedures that have left me wondering “is anyone thinking about this??”

[color=#202020]1. oxygen in labor:

[color=#202020]we’ve all seen it…mom is laboring and baby has some funky/questionable heart tones. first thing they do, of course, is change moms position. the next thing they always do...is [color=#202020]slap oxygen on moms face. look over at the pulse oximeter and it shows [color=#202020]mom's o2 level as being 100%...before we added oxygen. ok..if mom's oxygen saturation is already at 100%....what do they think having her breathe more oxygen is going to do other than freak her out?? in what way can it possibly benefit her?

[color=#202020]2. scheduled inductions:

[color=#202020]parents are told that they will be inducing next week...for [fill in any reason]. [color=#202020]this is an elective induction, not a medically necessary one. that’s a pretty bold statement…how do i know this without further information? because if they were really worried about mom or the baby,would they really send her home and wait 4 days before inducing her? and if they aren't worried...then couldn't they recheck on them in 4 days and then decide a course of action?

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[color=#202020]3. baby is getting too big:

[color=#202020]parents are told that they need to induce at 39 weeks because the [color=#202020]baby's getting "too big". [color=#202020]ok..so...how much do they think the baby's head/shoulders will grow in [color=#202020]that extra week or two weeks? they talk about baby's weight...but what [color=#202020]about baby's head and shoulders? babies don't get stuck at their [color=#202020]chubby little thighs, hung up by their adorably dimpled butts ....

[color=#202020]what we have to work hard to birth as heads and shoulders, not their chub. to help with the delivery the baby’s head is made to mold, the pelvis will expand and open up… [color=#202020]what growth do they think will occur those last 1-3 weeks that will change the outcome of the delivery? what really is the difference in head size between an 8 pound baby and a 10 pound baby? (double chins don’t count!

[color=#202020]4. “we don’t know how long baby will continue to tolerate...”:

[color=#202020]parents are told that they need to give her pitocin because, although [color=#202020]baby "looks good now, we don't know how long baby is going to tolerate [color=#202020]this..." isn't that true from the moment of conception? we never know [color=#202020]how long baby is going to be happy.....all we can go off of is now..and [color=#202020]right now baby is happy and everything is fine. if everything is [color=#202020]fine...why are we in a hurry? why rush it? if mom and baby are fine with the way things are right now – then it must not be because of mom and baby that we need to speed things up, right?

[color=#202020]then who is it for? to this i have an answer, but would prefer that each reader is able to answer this question themselves. if it’s not for mom and baby, then for whom are we wanting to hurry things up for?

[color=#202020]5. diet and drugs during pregnancy:

[color=#202020]women are told to fanatically watch what they eat or drink....watch out [color=#202020]for tuna because of mercury, deli meats could have listeria, don't walk i[color=#202020]nto a restaurant that has smoking because you might inhale second [color=#202020]hand smoke, no sushi, no alcohol whatsoever, no caffiene. when you are pregnant you are making decisions for two and should be meticulous about what you put into your body.

[color=#202020]when a baby is getting ready to be born, aren’t you still pregnant? do the rules stop applying? yet on the day that the baby is to be born, the most important day that this child will have, much more important than the day she was 20 weeks 6 days pregnant…much more transformation than on the day she was 32 weeks 4 days pregnant…an even more dramatic day than the day she was 8 weeks 1 day pregnant. on that day we will encourage mom to take an average of 7 – 9 different pharmaceuticals (including things such as stadol, demerol, fentenyl (“100 times more potent than morphine”), bupivicaine) and prevent her from eating anything at all and we will call that “normal” and “safe”.

[color=#202020]6. it’s too risky:

[color=#202020]we will routinely take women and artificially rupture their water, introduce catheters and monitors to the inside of the uterus, add pitocin into a woman, give her anesthesia, induce her if she gets too uncomfortable, give an elective cesarean if she just strongly requests it.....

[color=#202020]but then we will say that a vbac is too risky and shouldn't be done. after all the risk of a baby dying during any type of delivery is [color=#202020]0.12%...the risk of a baby dying during a vbac is .20%. not a huge [color=#202020]difference. risk of dying from a uterine rupture is .0095%, risk of dying from a repeat cesarean is .0184%. but a vbac is too risky.

[color=#202020]lets take this over to a homebirth. we will do all of the interventions listed in the first paragraph (things we know dramatically increase the risk to mom and baby) but say that homebirths are scary! after all – what if something goes wrong! we forget how very often things went wrong because we were messing around with things – how often things go wrong in a hospital that wouldn’t have gone wrong at home because we wouldn’t have been inducing her, wouldn’t be giving her those pharmaceuticals, wouldn’t be restricting her eating, wouldn’t be breaking her water…

[color=#202020]7. “take a big deep breath like you’re going under water, chin to your chest, curl around your baby, and push down – 1, 2, 3, 4, no noise, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10…good pushing, now deep breaths, breathe for your baby…”:

[color=#202020]women are told to hold their breath for 3 counts of 10 while pushing, [color=#202020]not to make any noise or let any air out.... [color=#202020]then are told they need to "breathe for their baby!" between [color=#202020]contractions...between....when there is no pressure on the baby. but [color=#202020]they don't need to breathe for their baby during the contractions?? [color=#202020]i ask every pregnant woman right now to get a watch or timer with a second hand – and hold your breath 3 times for 10 seconds in a row and see how it feels. [color=#202020]now do it again…after walking for 10 minutes on a treadmill. how does it feel?

[color=#202020]as for the no noise thing - ...i've heard them say, "your voice is your [color=#202020]power...if you are making noise you are letting your power out... [color=#202020]here are some mental images for you - "think 'karate'...think 'olympic weight lifters'...think 'us open tennis players'. you'd think if your voice was your power then karate instructors would be saying "sshhhhhhh!" and the karate studio would be absolutely silent. wouldn’t olympic coaches have discovered that fact that you can lift more or gleem more power from being silent?

[color=#202020]8. premature urge to push:

[color=#202020]women are told that they must not push before they are fully dilated....the pressure down on the cervix could make the cervix swell. not even little grunts! no no, breathe, don’t push! b[color=#202020]ut then, an hour later, she is given pitocin to strength then [color=#202020]contractions, they never worry that it will make the contractions so [color=#202020]strong that it will swell the cervix. she feels nauseated and is throwing up, and they don't worry that that will swell the cervix. isn’t the point to have good strong pressure down on the cervix? [color=#202020]i’ve heard some women be told that they might tear the cervix! yikes!! that would stop me from wanting to push, too! but if that was the case then wouldn’t it hurt more to push not less? most women who are pushing are doing so because it feels better to push…wouldn’t think that tearing your cervix would feel better than not, do you?

[color=#202020]9. internal examinations prior to labor:

[color=#202020]why are we checking you? what is the point? [color=#202020]oh yes, i hear you answering now…it’s to see if you’re going to have the baby soon. [color=#202020]first off, if you’re full term (which i hope you are if you are having internals!) then the answer is a resounding yes! you will be having your baby soon! (and i don’t have to stick my hands inside of you) [color=#202020]next, an internal examination prior to the onset of labor gives no information that is beneficial or useful. [color=#202020]wow…pretty bold statement, yet true. you are checked and found to be zero dilated and zero effaced. you could have your baby that night. (that was my third child) or you could be found 3cm dilated and 75% effaced and it could be weeks! (that was my second and fourth children) so if dilation and effacement aren’t going to tell us when we are going to go into labor, why are we checking?

[color=#202020]wait, not fair…that was my question!

[color=#202020]10. you need an iv in labor…just in case something goes wrong, we must have access to your vein!

[color=#202020]rather than question this statement, i’m simply going to relay what happened with some students i taught a childbirth series to many years ago. he (the expectant father) happened to be an emt-paramedic. this couple was doing a hospital tour so that they could become familiar with the hospital they intended to have their baby in. the nurse showed them the triage area, then showed them the labor and delivery rooms, explained that this is when they would get their iv…

[color=#202020]the emt dad said, “umm, what if we don’t want an iv?”

[color=#202020]nurse replied, “it’s standard…what if something goes wrong? we must have access to your vein and what if it takes a while to get the iv started? it can be difficult sometimes to get it started…what if we can’t get it started and we’re trying to get an iv in while your baby is having problems??”

[color=#202020]the emt dad looked her straight in the eye and said, “are you telling me that i can start an iv in the field, at night, in the rain, inside a vehicle that has been flipped over on a patient who is critical and bleeding out…and you are concerned about starting an iv on my healthy wife in your brightly lit hospital??? that frightens me.”

[color=#202020]hee hee. i’ll just let that story sit with you for a while.

[color=#202020]maybe i’m too logical…or maybe there will be one person who reads this and starts to think about this thing we call ‘childbirth’.

[color=#202020]see…i’m not just logical…i’m a dreamer, too.

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I haven't read all the threads. But I do agree there is too much medical intervention in Childbirth that is more for the convenience of the Doc or mom than what is natural or best for the baby. the US infant mortality rate is pretty poor considering we're a highly developed, technically advanced nation. I had an OB nurse tell me that at a hospital where she worked, scheduling routine M-F inductions was standard there, if the labor didn't start by 5 pm on induction day, the doctor would sent them home to come back and try again the next day! They tried to talk her into it when she was pregnant and she told them, no way! They also liked scheduling the inductions a week before the due date.

Specializes in L & D; Postpartum.
I had an OB nurse tell me that at a hospital where she worked, scheduling routine M-F inductions was standard there, if the labor didn't start by 5 pm on induction day, the doctor would sent them home to come back and try again the next day! QUOTE]

Well, that is far more preferable to telling them "you haven't made any progress today so now we have to do a C/S." And that happens way more often than any of us like. Charting by docs can be done so as to justify it. Sad, but true.

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Very true, TNT.

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I had an OB nurse tell me that at a hospital where she worked, scheduling routine M-F inductions was standard there, if the labor didn't start by 5 pm on induction day, the doctor would sent them home to come back and try again the next day! QUOTE]

Well, that is far more preferable to telling them "you haven't made any progress today so now we have to do a C/S." And that happens way more often than any of us like. Charting by docs can be done so as to justify it. Sad, but true.

I must be very lucky in the place I work because I have never seen this happen. We have inductions that will go on for 3 days as long as mom and baby are stable. I work with wonderful MD's and CNM's that would much rather have a lady partsl birth than a c-section. We do have a 26% c-section rate, but I think that is high because we do so much high risk stuff.

I had an OB nurse tell me that at a hospital where she worked, scheduling routine M-F inductions was standard there, if the labor didn't start by 5 pm on induction day, the doctor would sent them home to come back and try again the next day! QUOTE]

We shut off the pit at 1700 if mom hasn't gone into labor. We let her eat a decent meal, shower, and sleep her, and try again in the morning. We have, on rare occasion, sent patients home for a day or two if induction wasn't effective, as long as neither patient is in distress and the BPP looks good.

I agree, go interview some doulas ;) there are very pro intervention doulas around me!

I think my clients would LOVE to have the nurse sit down with us and chat about their wishes and what's important to them (I've only seen it happen a few times). But If the nurse only combs thru the birth plan looking for reasons to not do things the parent's preferred way that wouldn't make them feel so good. I make it crystal clear to my clients if a true emergency happens much of the niceties have to go out the window- we pickup as much as we can (like infant care preferences) when the emergency is over though. They know things may not go the way they hope. That's even in my contract LOL.

I've never had parents have any problem as long as interventions are appropriate/they consent/ and they are given time to think things thru if time is available.

There's also a good doula/nurses board at http://www.anacs.org/discussionboards/messages/56/223.html?1088701860

oops all the posts were accidentally deleted, bummer, they had some good exchanges there.

anyway.

I agree about " always and never" I also eliminated "will and won't".

Just because how the birth goes doesn't affect every family/baby/bonding (or whatever) in the long term also doesn't mean it won't for this particular couple. (that's wordy, sorry) I mean for some birth leaves a VERY lasting impression/effect. As an example I do CBE/doula for moms in jail. We try really hard to harness that energy/hormones of labor and use them to encourage bonding with their infants.

I mean for some birth leaves a VERY lasting impression/effect.

Exactly!

Specializes in Rural, Midwifery, CCU, Ortho, Telemedicin.

I applaud your thinking about the "standards" and "what we do heres" a lot of which are not evidence based. HOWEVER, I do believe in at least a saline/hep lock because the veins can and do collapse in the presence of hemorrhage and other problems. Especially if you have limited staff number and/or experience on the unit. Hang in and maybe we can return birthing to women and not males and businesses.:idea:

I think this woman is my new personal hero! :balloons:

I am an OR nurse who is very often on call for the birthing unit.... ie for caesarean sections. And let me tell you the number of women who have caesareans for things like failure to progress (and the number of them who have epidurals in.... hmmmm some correlation here???)

Don't get me wrong, full power to women having babies. But I agree that there is far too much stuff that is done because it is 'necessary'. The way I see it, women have been having babies for many many years before these necessities were imposed on them and they did fine. (Evidenced by the continuation of the human race!).

Must qualify this by saying also that intervention in birth does have a very important place - in abnormal circumstances!

Ummmm... I am one who likes to reduce interventions and I think our c-section rates are too high, but I have to comment on one thing. Women didn't do just fine for many, many years having babies. Sure many did, but many of them died from childbirth or suffered from the consequences of obstructed labor as did many babies. Look at the rates of infant mortality or the incidence of lady partsl fistulas in some countries where women don't have access to OR nurses like you when their labors fail to progress normally (and they don't have epidurals).

And then look at the rates of infant / maternal mortality in countries where they don't call "failure to progress" and do a C-section nearly as often... where up to 40% of births take place in the home... where almost all births are attended by the equivalent of nurse-midwives...

And then look at the rates of infant / maternal mortality in countries where they don't call "failure to progress" and do a C-section nearly as often... where up to 40% of births take place in the home... where almost all births are attended by the equivalent of nurse-midwives...

You must have missed the part of my post that said I think we do too many sections

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