Don't Know What To Do.. (Prospective Student)

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I've been a ghost on these forums for quite some time now, I've read everything from the gleaming posts of those that love their jobs to the endless negative posts by those who probably would have been better suited for a different profession.

So far I have been able to wade through the negativity while keeping my head held high enough to keep an interest in the medical field... though it's getting harder and harder. This is my story so far...

Let's throw one thing out there to give you some better perspective. I am a male and I'm 27 years old.

Growing up I never had an interest in school, I hated everything about it. As much as I was told what I did here would impact my future... I didn't listen and found it more entertaining to spend my teenage years being a teenager.

I spent a majority of my 20's being... well, what would be a continuation of being a teenager. During these years I went to college twice, both times with not much interest in what I was doing. First I went to college for Computer Programming, and then a few years later I went for Acting. I dropped out both times. Decided college was not for me, as there was nothing that interested me - though I didn't give it much thought either.

I've done a few odd jobs here and there. I've worked in Radio, Film etc and while I loved these jobs, finding secure jobs in these avenues are near impossible. In the end I interned for Radio (without pay) for an entire year and never got a job, and watched all my successful friends in Radio get fired. Film is even more fickle and ultimately is just a great way to end up as a waiter/waitress.

I've also worked as a bartender, grocery bagger, customer service representative, dating coach, entrepreneur, writer, and publisher. None of these careers have felt right to me.

I am also a rescue diver, and during my rescue and CPR/first responder courses, some of the stories peaked my interest in a medical related field. The rush of saving lives intrigued me, I've always been an adrenaline junkie.

I for quite awhile wanted to go into firefighting, and knew that you had to have your EMT license to do that... so I started researching that. While Firefighting had the rush that I was looking for most of the time, I psyched myself out, and ultimately wasn't comfortable with putting myself into a burning building.

So what about EMT-B? Well, an exciting job to be sure, but for poor wages and not much advancement. Paramedics pay increase for an additional 1 and a half years of schooling didn't seem to be worth it either.

I dropped this idea for a few months since I missed the deadline for classes anyways.

During this time I had to do some short term care.

My grandmother has dialysis, and she goes to have this done a few times a week. Usually one of her daughters takes her, but as they were out of town I took the job. I had to pick her up from her nursing home, help her get her stuff ready, help her out the door, into the car, out of the car, into the dialysis center, to where she needed to go.. and then I would have to pick her up later and do it all over again. This of course is pretty simple stuff, but I enjoyed it and it once again piqued my interest in the medical profession.

(Side note about working with the elderly - I'ts amazing how we spend most of our lives trying to act like we are strong , but in the end all we all have to show everyone just how weak we really are, I think that has to be hardest part of growing older)

So I started looking into it some more, it didn't really dawn on me before to go back to college or even that there might be jobs similar to an EMT-B in the hospitals but as I researched I found jobs that would be suited to my need for a rush and my desire to help others. All of them in the nursing field.

Coming to this idea was a shock to me, since my mother has been a nurse for a very long time and I had never considered following in her footsteps.

ER Nurse, OR Nurse, ICU Nurse etc.. All of these specialties looked amazing to me. Many with the ability to travel (my favorite thing to do!) As quickly as I got excited, my excitement was dashed away.

5-7 year waiting lists? I'm already 27!

So I researched some more... I don't like accepting defeat.

Schools that don't have waiting lists? Sure they are out there but my GPA cumulative from the few courses I took in college are at a resounding 2.33. Well, that's not good enough to get into those schools.

Military nursing programs? Sure - Always a possibility, but a sure fire way to get deployed (even if you are in the reserves, nurses get shipped out all the time - and as much as I respect the soldiers who do fight for America, I'm not about to spend 4 years on a BSN, only to get shot over seas.

Alright, Alright.. seems I am out of options. Not quite.. I researched more..

I can spend time getting my GPA up by working my prereqs? - Well I could, and I would - if I knew what prereqs to take. It seems all the no-wait schools have different prereqs that they require. I take a few and maybe I can apply to ONE school and get denied just to attempt again a year later? No, I'd rather be able to apply to multiple schools.

On top of all this.. tuition is another scary subject. I have no money, and am deeply afraid of collecting high debt (as ive never been in debt) and not being able to pay it back. How in the world am I going to be able to afford this? I'm coming to the conclusion that... I'm not going to be able to afford it.

More Options? Well, I looked at Rogers State University since my best friend is moving to Oklahoma and they only look at 5 prereqs for your GPA. You ace those courses I can't imagine it would be hard to get into the program. Problem is - they are a university and are EXPENSIIIVE. If i were a resident of Oklahoma the prices wouldnt be too bad but since I'm from Michigan they jump from 100 to 300 (plus a ton of additional fees) Next. :(

Frustrated by my lack of options at this point, and a need to make money NOW as opposed to later. I figured I could work on my GPA while maybe getting my foot in the door.

Turns out EMT-Bs can work as an ER Tech in a hospital, awesome!! Classes start next month, well.. I'm going to sign up for those classes right now.

This might sound dumb to you but the EMT School requires that I be fully shaven, and I've only shaved twice since high school. Both times I looked like a young 10 year old virgin boy and it just brought back memories of getting relentlessly ridiculed in high school and middle school. First off, I would not be able to get any respect in any profession looking like a pre-pubescent.

Now while I understand this is a requirement to get a good seal for the N95 mask, it's not something I am willing to do. I know that many nurses, many MANY male nurses have beards (and mine IS nicely trimmed) so that is something I am still looking into, Maybe this is because there are alternatives to the N95 in hospitals that are not available in an Emergency Vehicle.

Also considered the possibility of shaving (UGHHH) for the 4 month long EMT-B class, and then grow it out as I apply for ER Tech Positions. (Still thinking about this one)

Before anyone says anything - yes, I am aware I would have to shave for any nursing program out there (and that is something i could handle knowing that I could grow it back for my career choice)

I am a very confident person, but only with my facial hair (the only thing that makes me even remotely look like I am a man ;) )

One nurse told me I should become a CNA, to help better my chances of getting into nursing school and volunteer some hours in the field that I want to work in.

Volunteer, cool.. I can do that.

CNA? This is something I could not do. Much respect to all the CNAs here... but, wiping butts for a profession does not sound like fun. I can handle phlem, vomit, blood, you name it... but poop is not my cup of tea. Yes I know I will have to deal with that stuff in various points in my career if i went into nursing, but as opposed to it being a small part of your job, being a CNA, it's mostly your entire job.

My local community college has a 4 month Registered Medical Assistant Program for 6,000 with 5 weeks externship, so I was going to jump onto that only to find that it's impossible to find a job as a MA (according to people here and other forums), and especially impossible as a male MA (seems employers are a bit sexist when it comes to this specific profession)

Looked into LPN courses but it seems the demand for this profession is dwindling and even considering there is a long waiting list for these programs too.

So here I am, unsure of what pre-reqs to take since they all differ from college to college, what to do in the meantime (ER Tech, MA, LPN, Burger King) How to afford tuition if i DO find a program... you name it - I am have a difficulty with it.

For the record my credit score is clean and near perfect. I've never owed a bank more than 700 dollars and hate owing people or places money.

I have been for many days now waking up, looking up medical professions and options, and reading on these forums, for over 12 hours a day (Not a joke, I woke up at 2pm today, and have been here in this computer chair since.. It is now 4:05 am)

As I watch my friends make things of themselves, I'm 27 - uneducated, jobless and have no skills or talents that could prove useful in any other careers. I love to help others and I love the concept of saving lives and helping people get better. I need something secure that allows me to travel. (If humanitarian work paid, that is what I would be doing right now)

I'm becoming more depressed by the day. Wondering how much longer it will be until I throw in the towel, buy my first trailer home and get a job at McDonalds.

Someone, anyone - please, who can feel my pain who has gotten through this please offer some advice or guidance. I'm seriously stuck and not sure where to go.

Negative Nancies - your opinion is welcome here too as long as its constructive, but what I really need is some positive uplifting advice because I honestly feel like I have run into a brick wall. Perhaps I've decided to grow up a bit too late...

dixieredhead

"sir, at 27 you still have a lot of things to learn. so you are "not willing to shave" to be a cna, but you would do it to get into nursing school? and you can't do poop as a cna but you would be willing to "deal with it" as a nurse?"

not willing to shave for a career where i have to be shaven everyday, which - would not be a cna position as you put it - but an emt-b position. maybe spend a little more time reading and a little less time judging. now nursing is not a position where i would need to shave everyday. as i have said, many male nurses have trimmed beards. emt's do not.

"oh, and you need something that let's you help others and travel? airline host?"

funny, but the amount of positions for traveling er nurse, or nurse, icu nurse, etc are pretty high and i know several nurses that have taken this route.

"here is my uplifting advice. get a job. you can think about your choices, options, and needs while you are working? and stop looking down your nose at people who have service jobs. if you had started working at burger king when you were 17 years old, stuck with it, and applied yourself, you could own a franchise by now."

oh just what i always wanted! a burger king franchise, that my friend is the american dream i cannot wait to fulfill. honestly, who cares. i've had "these so called service jobs" and i hated them, they aren't fulfilling the slightest. i own my own companies, while they are volunteer based and not surrounding making money, they are still successful. you criticize me for wanting to make my life better for my future family and self? how noble of you. we all have to start somewhere.

"do you think they like mopping poop? they do not. does it "feel right"? i don't think so; it never has for me, but i still do it. seriously, i do not think you are cut out for nursing." p

pretty sure i said, and multiple times at that - that it will come with the territory, and that is ok. obviously you do not have to be great at comprehension to get a degree in nursing. no offense, but you really should read things thoroughly before you post and pass judgement on others. the issue being that a job in cna 99% (exaggerated estimate) is toileting and wiping asses. nurses do that, but not nearly as much (depending on the field). i know several nurses, and especially quite a few on just these forums that hated being cna's for this very reason but love being a nurse.

so thank you for your lack of compassionate care, seriously, i do not think you are cut out for nursing.

subee - i know many males with beards in nursing that would not be willing to part with them, so apples and oranges. i can get rid of my beard for a course, or for school - but to get rid of it permanantely is not something i wish to do. it has been a part of me for so long. we all have our issues, this just happens to be one of mine. it is something i can work on i guess, i just never had to work on it, since i've never had a need to shave. lets just say i have some deep rooted reasons for having a beard that stem from being bullied in school.

thankfully outside of any courses, emt-b, or nursing school - i wouldn't need to stay clean shaven (if i went into er tech or nursing) . talked to a few nurses around here that confirmed this. so i fail to see how this is a big deal, considering that i am willing to shave for what is necessary.

leenak - had a job, several of them in fact. even worked without pay for some of them. in radio, i was there early every morning and stayed hours past my scheduled "go home time" for up to a year with wide eyes hoping for employment. i was doing so well i even had my own segment on the air. i then worked on a hollywood movie feature (again without pay) this involved me getting up again at 4 am and standing on my feet outside in the middle of blizzard conditions for up to 14-16 hours a day. am i lazy? you tell me.

i have accomplished alot - all without schooling, but i'm no longer happy with the instability of these careers. looking at new avenues. own my own company - putting alot of my time into that. while it could eventually be profitable, it isn't right now and i as you might know - cannot put all of my eggs in one basket.

crittytn - i think my post was in an effort to help find direction past these so-called-excuses. for example, i'd like to start working on my prereqs... but what prereqs do i take? there was a suggestion earlier in the thread, and i have seen those listed a few times, but again.. it seems like each school has different prereq requirements. i'd like to be safe and take what gives me the ability to apply for different schools - not just one. is that so unfair that i am looking for advice pertaining to this? it seems pro-active to me in approach.

as far as taking the right steps, that's why i am here, and i thank you so much for your uplifting yet, constructive criticism. it seems not everyone is capable of that. it helps me see where i have gone wrong, but lets me believe i can still achieve what i want to achieve. i have things to work on for sure, but the ability to get to where i want to be is within me, even if others here seem to think i am a lost cause. i have just never had to work on these issues before. it's nice to have some support and belief among the negativity. thanks you.

xtxrn and always learning - i actually am a writer! my current business is a satirical based news site. i have some of the most influential people in my city working for or writing for me. it's all volunteer based at the moment though. it has the potential to eventually earn money, and i am hard at work trying to make that happen, but it may not and i have to be fully prepared for such an outcome!

mazy touche. i wrote my post at the end of a 14 plus hour research session. i was frustrated and tired. i didn't mean to be negative with all that, i'm more or less looking for ways i can tackle these issues. instead of being written off with things such as, "you aren't cut out for nursing" or "quit now, i hate nursing!!" i want to talk to people who over came similar issues who can help me see a way past them.

as far as nursing school is concerned, i'm well aware of what i'd have to do in nursing school, and have fully factored all that in.

to be fair - only certain jobs in nursing "revolve" around poop - other jobs in nursing merely have to deal with it on occasion. hell , my mother during her time in nursing school and having been a nurse for over 15 years has only had to wipe one ass during that time. she makes good money as well. in the 50,000+ range.

alternatively, i know er nurses that are making 90,000 a year.

i'm not sure what your idea of a well paying job is, but you might have some pretty high standards.

so i think getting paid well depends on your area and specialty. staff nurses probably don't make nearly as much. some places don't pay worth crap, other places pay bank. with a profession with so many different avenues to go into, i find it hard to believe any generalization you place on the career.

i will consider your last piece of advice however and do some hard thinking on that matter.

everyone - thank you all for your replies, they all mean alot to me and i will take everything you all have said into consideration. i think an issue i've been having is that i have been trying to tackle everything at once, trying to figure everything out all at the same time. i will attempt to take things slower and figure things out on a more realistic basis.

thanks again.

For pre-reqs, you'll just have to look at the schools you're thinking of applying to and see what they require. It'll vary depending on Associates, Bachelors programs and the specific school. I went to the school sites that I was interested in and wrote down the prereqs required at each and made a list from that of what I still needed.

Specializes in Public Health.

..................I will try to give you some constructive criticism/advice.....

Firstly, as a CNA actually my job does not revolve around poop so much as it revolves around meeting my residents needs. I love what I do because I am actually in it to help people!

Second, the reason you got the response that you did is because you came across as demanding and demeaning. I understand your frustration BUT you need to realize that as a new grad you will probably not get that travel job or move up quickly and make the big bucks until you get more experience and education. Generally speaking you either need years of experience or a BSN to move up into management.

Thirdly, Generally the pre-reqs you need will be English, Algebra, Biology, Anatomy I and II, Microbiology, Psychology, Sociology, Communications, and Political Science. Those are for an ADN program. Some schools give you extra consideration if you have either professional or volunteer experience in healthcare. Also most schools want you to do well on entrance exams such as the HESI, TEAS, or NET and many many schools want you to get your CNA in preparation for the program.

Finally,

Your attitude needs to change because you will encounter ALOT of friction from other nurses and doctors and instructors even with the attitude that CNA work is all about poop and that you will be moving on to "greener" pastures and making the big money. There is no reason to have this attitude when you know very little about the profession. I think you SHOULD be a CNA...get the idea out of your head that its not for you because you never know. Being a CNA provides you with the foundation of nursing practice because it helps you realize that EVERYTHING is about your patients safety and well-being and you come last. It takes a really selfless person to do the job well.

I hope you take my advice to heart and rethink your position on Nursing.

Become a writer.

all jokes aside you seriously should consider writing. I mean your post had all the good elements. I laughed, i pouted I mean everything. Try the emt thing out and take prereqs. I met a pa student that came out of Miss. State with a 2.3 and went and got her emt license and did really well and worked for 6 months and is now in the PA program and doing REALLY well. So, if you have a dream don't let me or anyone else deter you. Try it, but you cannot get anywhere just sulking and thinking, you gotta put in some work buddy, lol. Good luck sir

slinkyheadcna.

what you say is fair, i have never done the job of a cna, but am going by what other people who have done it have said. having read through these forums and talking to cna's this was my conclusion. so i do apologize if i was wrong.

i am also aware that in order to do travel nursing you need generally at least 1-2 years in your specialty before you can begin and bsn is required to move up into management. all fine with me.

i am looking into job shadowing now and hope to do some volunteer work soon. was not aware of the cna in preparation. though doable, it's only a 4 week course out here.

i am sure you love your job as a cna, and i am sure many do... but having read from other nurses who hated doing cna work due to the excess toileting and feces work yet love their nursing jobs, it just didn't feel like a fit for me. i mean no disrespect to what you do, i think it's a wonderful thing and god knows that it's much worse to be the one being cleaned up than the one doing the cleaning. it is an essential job and i respect you for doing it.

thank you slinkyhead and crittytn for your prereq advice.

lovelyb26

thank you for the kind words and advice :)

I think that you are overthinking this. You've raised some concerns here, people have offered some opinions and advice, but the bottom line is that you are the one that needs to make the decision that is right for you.

I guess that engaging in dialogue about it is helpful at this stage of the game, but ultimately you will not be able to resolve these issues on this forum, you will have to figure that out IRL.

Basically, what this boils down to is that you have to decide what it is that you want to do, decide what you are willing to put up with in order to do it, and then proceed forward and do just that.

Best of luck!

I actually have some advice for you - do what you have to do to be a CNA full time and then go to a Community College for your ASN part time. Community Colleges are cheap and they don't give a damn about your past GPA as long as you can pay for the credits. I know in my area my local Community College was the ONLY part time option for me. Sure, it takes longer, but you'll be picking things up as a CNA in the meantime which is tremendous.

I do agree with the comments about shaving and poop. You have to get over those things. Your desire to become a Nurse from the perspective of job security and money is a little scary, but I do sense that you have a genuine underlying interest in the field so I say go for it.

Poop is such a tiny tiny TINY aspect of it, you have no idea. I just started my clinical program this semester (just started working with real patients), and I have to tell you, I got over the poop thing REAL quick. When you're caring for very sick people, it doesn't matter as much as other things... if you get a patient that ONLY requires you to give a bed bath and wipe his/her ass, thank your lucky stars!!

I don't think you necessarily need a super strong stomach for Nursing, I think that's something that can be developed, but you definitely need to be more open to experiences and approach it with a genuine attitude, wanting to learn. (even if it's learning how to wipe someone's ass)

Nursing is a dirty thankless job... but even though I'm a student, I'm in love with the profession.

One last thing - my plan is to get my ASN part time, get my RN license, work in the field part time while transferring to a better school full time for my BSN and then MSN. I want to be an NP with a focus on diabetes education and nutrition. Will it take a long time? sure... but the time is going to come no matter what you do with it right?

good luck!

oh, and yes, pre reqs vary greatly from school to school, but for me it was:

Math for Health Sciences

Chemistry

English

Anatomy & Physiology I

Anatomy & Physiology II

Psychology

Sociology

Microbiology

It took me two years to complete my pre reqs, and it will take another 1.5-2 years to complete the clinical program, but I'd rather take my time and absorb everything I can like a sponge because I plan to work in the field while going to school full time for my BSN and MSN at a much better school and I'm sure I'll have my work cut out for me.

Type1Nurse - Thank you very much! :) I will look into it some more...

As far as takin an ADN at a community college, I think the issue is that for an ADN, at least around here is that the community colleges around here have a 5-7 year wait list. (yikes)

no worries. when I went to apply to my CC, I was told there was a 2-4 year waiting list, but I needed to get my pre reqs done (which took 2 years) anyway, so I enrolled and got through my pre reqs with a 3.86 GPA and got into the program with no problem... once you're enrolled and you do well in your classes, you'd be amazed at the doors that might open for you if you are friendly with your professors and advisors. I'm not saying that's what happened in my case necessarily, but it couldn't hurt right?

Specializes in LTC, Med-surg.

I don't think you are cut out for nursing. You shouldn't idealize the job just because it pays well and its respected. Its a lot of hard work to get into school and to stay in the school. If you need to have a job, you will find that your clinical hours will make it hard for you to have a job.

I think nursing school is a reach for you. Start out small.

Starting out as a CNA would be perfect for you. Work your way up...thats really how the American Dream goes...

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