Diversity/Religion In The Workplace

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Today, my friend told me the saddest story I ever heard. She had applied for a job and had been pining to get this gig for months. Finally a few months ago they contacted her for an interview. Culturally, she likes to wear a head wrap and has been doing so for as long as I have known her. Plus her boyfriend is Jewish and plans on marrying him and wants to get use to the idea of wearing it everyday. Well she decided that she would be herself and interview for the job as herself, tichel/head covering and all. The first interview went off without a hitch but she said she was asked if she was Muslim during the interview. I guess to explain her wearing the head covering. She replied no and left it at that. She was contacted for a second interview. Went well. Several months later she was hired. She attended orientation which lasted for several weeks. Than out of the blue, one of her supervisors called her to the side one day and asked her if she was Muslim, again she answered no, she even asked her if something was wrong with her hair, she replied no. The supervisor told her that she needed to come to work the next day with her hair out. She ignored that request and went to work as herself. The second day, she was requested to meet with one for her higher ranking superiors regarding her hair. Long story short, she was pretty much told that it was policy and she could not wear her hair covered to work. She explained that for weeks, she walked around with head covering and nobody said anything to her about it. She was told that if she pretty much did not show up without head covering she would lose her job, plus she was knew so they had no problem doing it. It made her very uncomfortable to the point of tears when she told me. She plans on quitting and looking for a new job. This is the world we live in. My heart is broken for her and she is still crying.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Have you ever considered a career as a defense attorney?

I can't help but snort at this and laugh because that is literally the 5th time in the past 2 weeks I have been told I definitely should have been an attorney. I mean I have been told most of my adult years that I would have made a stellar lawyer, but recently I am getting told constantly. :p:p

I can't help but snort at this and laugh because that is literally the 5th time in the past 2 weeks I have been told I definitely should have been an attorney. I mean I have been told most of my adult years that I would have made a stellar lawyer, but recently I am getting told constantly. :p:p

I've been told that frequently, too ....don't think it's a compliment, either! :alien:

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
I've been told that frequently, too ....don't think it's a compliment, either! :alien:

Ehhh I consider it a compliment. I am good at debating and when I am told in person it's because I am extremely perceptive and I catch inconsistencies in stories. It has helped in my career a lot when you know family or the patient isn't being upfront or things aren't fitting together. Mostly the people that have said it to me in a negative way were people that couldn't get away with lying to me or manipulating me,

I am pretty sure that is the funniest thing I have read all day!!!!

I have a question for everyone that keeps saying the "friend" was being evasive.

She was asked twice if she was Muslim. She answered twice in response to the question. NO.

How is that evasive. She was asked a direct question and she answered it as direct as you could possibly get.

evasive

adjective eva·sive \i-ˈvā-siv, -ziv, ē-\

Definition of evasive for English Language Learners

: not honest or direct

: done to avoid harm, an accident, etc.

She answered the question honest and direct. Like she was literally the OPPOSITE of evasive when answering the question. So I don't understand why so many people keep saying she gave evasive answers.

Ah, I don't think so..

There is deceit by omission, as well as by commission..

Both parties were a bit guilty of this, but one had more to lose..

If she'd been switched on sufficiently to take the "Are you a..."

cue, then she could've said, "Oh this little thing? (indicating item),

No, but I am a Judaism prospect, if that helps.."

Yeah - & by the way.. I get the..

"Why aint you a lawyer, if you're so smart then, son.."

too.. plus..

"Nurses aint meant to argue, you got a law degree or what!"

Specializes in ICU; Telephone Triage Nurse.
Except they haven't "trampled on this young lady's religious freedom" since she isn't wearing this for religious reasons. Even if she was a practicing orthodox jew, which she is not, the religious practice in that case to cover one's head once married, not prior to that. From the description the decision to wear this is for personal reasons, not compliance with religious doctrine.

I misunderstood it to be a religious belief issue:

"Culturally, she likes to wear a head wrap and has been doing so for as long as I have known her. Plus her boyfriend is Jewish and plans on marrying him and wants to get use to the idea of wearing it everyday".

My mistake. I beg your pardon for misinterpreting it to be a religious reason for wearing her hair covered. It wouldn't be the first time I read a thread sleep deprived and got it wrong.

Wanting to wear your hair covered for a cultural reason and being denied by an employer seems just as fraught with potential pitfalls for the hospital. Especially since it suddenly became an issue.

OP, I'm really sorry your friend feels so awful over this. I think it should have been addressed with the job offer. I hope she and her employer can come to a mutual understanding agreeable to both.

I have to wonder how delighted my nursing instructors would have been to have her as a student - our hair wasn't allowed to touch our necks in clinicals back then, in nineteen hundred and - cough, cough … it had to be pulled back tight enough to give one the appearance of a facelift. No exceptions. :barf02:

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
Ah, I don't think so..

There is deceit by omission, as well as by commission..

Both parties were a bit guilty of this, but one had more to lose..

If she'd been switched on sufficiently to take the "Are you a..."

cue, then she could've said, "Oh this little thing? (indicating item),

No, but I am a Judaism prospect, if that helps.."

Yeah - & by the way.. I get the..

"Why aint you a lawyer, if you're so smart then, son.."

too.. plus..

"Nurses aint meant to argue, you got a law degree or what!"

You don't think so what??

Say what you will, but it doesn't change the fact. Direct question asked and direct question answered. I don't care about the rest of this fake story or how she should have just assumed they were asking for this reason or that. She was told she is not to wear the head scarf to work again and she did anyway. That's on her. When she was told not to wear it would have been a good opportunity for her to speak up. HR in this scenario handled the entire thing wrong.

But regardless of all that. She was absolutely NOT evasive when she was directly asked if she was Muslim. There is no deceit of omission here.

The point I clearly made was to the multitude of posters that stated she was evasive when HR asked her if she was Muslim.

My stance was she was not evasive when asked directly if she was Muslim, and to play on your words here, there was no deceit of omission either. You MIGHT have a case with that if she was asked if she was Christian and she said No but in reality she was Baptist, which would be a form of Christianity. I am not educated on the Muslim religion to know if their are different denominations like there is with Christianity. But that's not even a factor here because she is not Muslim or a "form" of the Muslim religion. So she still answered the question directly and honestly.

She was asked a direct question and she gave a direct answer. One could argue possibly the most direct answer one can give.

Any of the other absurdities in the story of of no importance to the point I was making, no matter how many posters try to pull them in. My point centered around ONE thing!

No details missing. Whole story here. No NCIS episode going on here.

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.
No details missing. Whole story here. No NCIS episode going on here.

So how is your friend doing?? Are you still super sad or are you feeling better?? She could try to get a job at Seattle Grace, I heard they are very accepting and embrace diversity. I would double up on malpractice and life insurance there though.

Frankly, RutgersFlowers2016, as an orthodox Jewish woman who wears a hat in the workplace, I wouldn't have answered any different than your friend! If you want to ask me why I wear a hat, , just ask me straight out, not this evasive nonsense. Over the years, I've been asked many times about the hat (your friend better get used to it!) but it's never been a work issue for me (acute care, primary care or public health). People (coworkers, management) are curious, naturally, but in my experience, always very respectful. Best of luck to your friend!

Not sure about this comment, but yes I live in the world and I am very familiar with what's going on out there. You sound very uneducated and have no compassion for other people's feelings. This is partly why people are the way they are today. Someone shares an experience that happened to them or someone in their life and people just jump on it with silly opinions that are obviously not well thought out. A few accusations were made from people about whether or not the "account" was true. Some want to be experts on judisim. There are many sectors of Jews, and people practice as they see fit. There are Jews for Jesus these days. Jews who have become Christian. Even a hateful comment about, she is wearing her hair tied but isn't married yet or on the "hopes of some day being married." Boy did that person sound bitter. What happened, no offer of marriage to you? My friend will be married this August to her guy. It just shows that people should not share experiences. Because some of the things I read here made me believe that it should not have been shared. Some real pathetic comments. Trump is a COMPLETELY different subject!!!

It just shows that people should not share experiences. Because some of the things I read here made me believe that it should not have been shared.

Well, that is somewhat true. If you don't want people commenting on your business (or your friend's business), an internet message board is not the place to put it. Share with like-minded people you know in real life when you want to hear how right you are. :saint:

Specializes in Emergency Dept. Trauma. Pediatrics.

Ok OP I just have to ask, since you have now seen how mean and cruel we all are; has this now become the saddest thing you've ever witnessed?

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