Diploma Nurses

EricJRN, MSN, RN · Mar 10, 2007

Post moved to the forum where we discuss the differing levels of entry into RN practice.

Word of caution: This is a sensitive topic for many, so in the spirit of respectful discussion, let's try to avoid any more phrases like "alot of B.S."

Cherish · Mar 10, 2007

Well the program that I got accepted to is the oldest nursing program in my state and has A LOT of good reputation. They repeatedly have the highest NCLEX pass rates and everywhere I go that I mention this school everyone says they produce the better nurses. These are coming from R.N.'s and physicians as well. Even the top hospitals (Duke and UNC-Program is under the Duke Health System) recruit the nurses from this school. So look at the reputation and the pass rates of the school. Do not judge a program without more investigation into the program. Who knows this program might also be one of the most well established in your state also because of the history of producing many great RN's. Longevity means a lot.

Altra, BSN, RN · Mar 10, 2007

If the school has a good reputation & NCLEX pass rates (>95%) and seems to be a good fit for you, I encourage you to consider it.

I'm a 2005 diploma grad. Diploma programs are still going strong in my area - there are 8 within 50 miles of me (along w/multiple ADN & BSN programs). My class included a few students straight out of high school, a 50+ former engineer, and just about every conceivable type in between. I am currently researching BSN programs and will start with approx. 66 credits - on par with where an ADN grad would start.

The largest academic hospital system in my area advertises many nursing positions "BSN preferred" ... but also maintains 2 diploma programs within its system from which it hires & promotes nurses.

Good luck to you. :)

PANurseRN1 · Mar 10, 2007

It's bad enough to have BSNs belittling ADN and diploma nurses; now we have ADNs questioning diploma nurses and wondering if they are "lesser" nurses?

Give me a break.

ETA: Pardon me. The derogatory remarks were made by someone who is not even a nurse.

Rock, LPN, RN · Mar 11, 2007

There is no need to tell everyone who works with you about your nurse's training. I am degree, but I have a lot of respect for diploma nurses because they have the clinical experience that is lacking in degree programs. I had extensive clinical experience before RN degree because I was a LPN for several years before embaking on a degree program.Since you have a BS degree, you are already ahead of the others.

Rock

PS The best nurses I ever worked with were all diploma nurses.

caliotter3 · Mar 11, 2007

In the interest of simplicity, I would choose the program that is closest to you geographically even if it is the diploma program. I am assuming you are describing a traditional diploma program of long standing that is affiliated with a teaching hospital or learning institution and that has a good reputation, not one of the for profit schools that charge an arm and a leg. In the end you get the chance to sit for the boards, pass them, then start working as an RN. You can always upgrade your education at a later time. You can research the program that you want to get an ASN or BSN from, and take any required courses on your timetable, while you are working. JMHO. On the other hand, if you want the best bang for your buck at this time and you have enough bucks, you should consider a BSN from the start and get it over with. At least you have more than one option. Good luck on your decision.

Tweety, BSN, RN · Mar 11, 2007

Where I work all degrees seem to be respected evenly. In fact in the real world we really don't talk about which degrees we have.

In deciding which degree to get decide which fits your goals and lifestyle and pocketbook without consideration of what others think.

Since you already have a BS degree, is one of those you're accepted to an accellerated BSN program. This would get you the BSN and in less time. That would be a good option.

Either way, good luck in all that you do.

NorfolkRN · Mar 11, 2007

I graduated from a diploma program in 2001 and have never gotten anything but respect from my coworkers regardless of their own educational levels. When i started in the ICU along with several other new grads some who had diplomas and others who had BSNs, it was quite obvious who had better clinical skills. I had spent twice as much time in the hospital setting compared to my bachelors prepared colleagues. However if you ever want to move away from the bedside and work in management or administration you must have at least a BSN so that is something to think about.

When it all comes down to it though, nursing is not something that is learned in the classroom. You can know everything in the world about A&P and nursing theory and still be a terrible nurse.

Rock, LPN, RN · Mar 12, 2007

Ditto !!

trh0630 · Mar 16, 2007

I am still in school, just finished Junior clinicals. I am amazed at how Nursing has its own set of politics. I knew this was a serious career, but wow! I can't wait to graduate. The bottom of this totem pole is wearing me out!

I didn't think I was going to make it through Pharmacology, but Halleluah! I'm done. I cannot wait to be a Nurse! (I know, check back in twenty years) :lol2:

Mijourney · Mar 25, 2007

I agree with previous comments on what school to attend. I think you should do your investigation of the diploma program. My experience, I'm a diploma as well as a BSN grad, is that diploma training is what really prepares you for the frontlines and BSN training prepares you for middle and sometimes upper management. You already have your BS so perhaps you can find a program that would even prepare you for a master's degree if you so desire.