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I was in a RN refresher program until a few days ago. I got through the 2 months of classroom with an average of 92%. No problems there. But when I got to the clinicals in a hospital seeking magnet status, I really got trashed. I am older than the instructor, I think she is about 63, looks 110. After the first few days I was very fascinated with all the outpatient procedures and surgery. I wanted to apply. My "instructor" started discouraging me from the start constantly telling me I couldn't keep up with the young nurses, etc. This is not for you. Then why am I here? Do what you want, etc. I wanted to apply for a job in ambulatory care, and I was approached while orienting in that department to apply. I was told by the instructor that "they were just being nice? I tried very hard to not let this "don't set yourself up for failure" business and the age discrimination get me down, but it did finally. So I called the head of the refresher program. Her response was "you two just don't get along, try to talk to her." I tried it again, thought it was working, but found out she was so incensed by my complaining about her, she subtly worked her evil against me.

She pretends to be a sweet, grandmotherly, mother hen to the young students, and gets all the facts about you she can, then uses it against you, (me). Everybody loves her, not because of her being such a great instructor, she only does that in endo with the IVs. But this grandmotherly person is so evil. The s.... hit the fan about 4 days before I was to finish my clinicals at this hospital. I was being harassed by one of the employees about getting my "work done." We leave at a certain time, and she came to where I was and said "arent you finished," all the other students are gone." Much, much more but won't get into that.

I told this instructor about it and she said "you should be up to speed by speed by now." Sure, I've been out 10 years, this was supposed to be learning experience I thought. I am supposed to be at the level of a well-oriented experienced nurse? I really felt like it was free labor. I guess she told the hospital staff, and all of a sudden every unit that I had been in said negative things about me and the instructor told me I couldn't continue in the program. I guess she thought she was being a hero by protecting the hospital from anything negative and looking like the good guy.

At the end of the unit I was in, it was a pediatric unit but was really a med/surg overflow unit. Lots of travelers worked there. We supposedly had our choice of patients but I was assigned newborn care which scared me because I never worked in that area, and also it was not going to be any use to me because I wanted adult medicine experience. I guess that was used against me. Also, I had to help with a patient transfer from an OR stretcher that weighed 290 lbs, dead weight, and pulled a muscle in my back and the next time I was asked to help I said I couldn't do it because I had a previous muscle strain, not related to nursing. However, I never made a complaint to the hospital about it.

I was told also that I would not get a certificate for completing the refresher program and stated I was going to file a grievance with the school which, by the way, is approved by the State BON. The director of the refresher program was exceedingly sweet to me, the Director of Nursing was the same. But the instructor for clinicals called me incompetent, I knew from the beginning you were going to be trouble, (I persisted in I could do what the younger nurses), everybody says you are incompetent, everybody said the had to go back to do my work over. well, I'm sure you get the story.

I also had applied to the recruiters for this huge "chain" corporate hospital and had 2 calls in l day after I sent my application in. Told I would be called by a NM at the hospital I was at. Once they knew what instructor I was with, I was called and told there was no openings.

I know what they are doing. While the school directors are being so above-board, this instructor is destroying me. She is popular with the young nurses, because she mostly entertains them. And she just trashes me to my face, when no one is around, and know that she is being backed to the hilt with the school administration. When I calmly told her I was going to file a grievance, she started yelling at me, calling me incompetent etc. "I have been doing this for 25 years."

The director of the school told me "why would you think she was discriminating because of your age." Give me a break. If she has been there for 25 years, how are they going to get rid of her. Are they saying they are going to hire at her age had she not been there 25 years?

Anyway, thanks for your thoughts. I am just so furious to be treated in such an inhumane way. It is just so awful that we think we live in a free world but corporate america has us well under-control.

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Hi JentheRN05:

Thanks for your ideas. I get from all hospitals, they like my resume but say, call us back when you have done your refresher. The sad things is I did all the things that needed to be done and because of this instructor, I lost all I worked for. Except for my theory certificate which I received with a 92% average passing score I didn't get the certificate for the linicals. Then got taken out of clinicals 3 days before they ended. There were a lot of problems at this hospital with the refreshers not being in the med/surg area and the only way they are having refresher nurses now in this last hospital, this instructor has been in is only letting them observe in IR, cath lab and teaching iv in endoscopy. All the refreshers have to go to Kaiser now for their clinicals and that is probably because the instructors husband is in administration there. Even the hospital chains she can no longer go to can be easily verified by recruiting. While in my IV Cert class yesterday, I asked one of the new refreshers if she was going into the hospital or Kaiser. She said they had to go to Kaiser but could go to the hospital for except for "observation" in the different labs. So Maybe I could get around it this way because it is truth that cannot be disputed. I think she got yanked up at the ankles this time. Especially because it is a state funded program at minimal cost to the refreshers. There needs to be accountability to the people that are funding the program. She is lucky that the other instructors husband works for administration at kaiser. I'm sure that is her last stop.

But I think you have made a good suggestion and I will follow-up. I think my story would be credible. It's true. The people I have met with through the grievance committee are not happy. The member of the board of education called me the next day and left me a message that she wanted to get in touch with me before the next (the day of the IV cert) and said if she wasn't in the office, I could get her secretary to call her at home and call me back. Sounded kind of urgent to me.???

They have offered not only the IV cert class but to back into clinicals with the other instructor. There are 2 problems I have with that. One is the next clinicals do not start for a few months, and two, by doing that wouldn't I be acknowledging that what that instructor had said and her not having to take responsibility for the harm it has caused me? I still am going to meet with the next member of the grievance committee. But your post now gives me the push to try to just say the program was inadequate with many problems and she is no longer there. In the meantime, I'm going to start applying at a lesser level. At least I could be working.

You know of all the posts I get here, I wish we worked together at the same place and worked together. But I feel most of the nurses are the greatest and there always bad apples wherever you go.

I am going to follow through on your suggestion asking at another hospital chain if I could hire on as an new grad or something until I got my feet on the ground. I did do my clinicals as a matter of fact. So I wouldn't be going in as dummy.

I am grateful for your support and all the others that have reached out to me. I hope I can pass on some of the good things you have done for me.

Lovingly, ZZ

Specializes in OB, ortho/neuro, home care, office.

As for your problems with that idea.

Here's my theory - if you get in at a hospital as a tech or something the wait wouldn't be all that bad, you'll be getting paid in the meantime. 2. I think that because you HAD to switch instructors because of the conflicts would be a REAL point maker in the long run. I mean, if someone you knew went through this with one instructor, and d/t the issues changed instructors wouldn't that be a signal for you to choose the OTHER instructor? Just my thoughts.

I truly wish you the best. I think working as a tech would be an excellent idea, gets your foot in the door as you wait for your refresher course to be complete, then you can simply slide into an RN position once you have your certificate. Do you have to repeat the theory or just the clinicals? Hopefully, since it's the same school you can simply redo the clinicals, because the theory should 'in theory' cross over.

If you need to talk or anything feel free to PM me, and I'll send you my email address :)

Lots of :icon_hug:

Specializes in NICU/Neonatal transport.

If everyone else in the world is against you and spreading vicious lies about you, I would take a look in the mirror and see if maybe they aren't lying if perhaps you are the problem.

Specializes in OB, ortho/neuro, home care, office.

lilpeanut,

I think that was a little harsh don't you? Geez, she's looking for help, not attacks. Think about your affects on people prior to typing something like that.

Specializes in NICU/Neonatal transport.

She had four pages of people supporting her and sometimes if everyone else is the problem, it's not really them, it's you. I didn't call her a horrible person or anything, but if everyone is saying she has trouble getting her work done and has problems with attitude, then maybe there's a reason for it.

Specializes in OB, ortho/neuro, home care, office.

I suppose I can see what your saying. But from what I understood, she was NOT informed of what she was/wasn't getting done. How can she attempt to correct something she doesn't know is wrong. The higher ups are carefully listening to her, so she must have some strong validity to her claims :) Just my theory and I'm sticking to it.

Definately not a bash on you, just sometimes with poeple would think before they speak, not that you didn't ...... okay now I'm starting to ramble :chuckle

Specializes in NICU, ER, OR.
She had four pages of people supporting her and sometimes if everyone else is the problem, it's not really them, it's you. I didn't call her a horrible person or anything, but if everyone is saying she has trouble getting her work done and has problems with attitude, then maybe there's a reason for it.

Lilpeanut...

A little bit judgemental, are you? Are you aware that things like this DO happen at workplaces all over the place? Especially in nursing? I understand what you are saying , too, and I understand that is the case sometimes..... but we have no reason to believe other than what was posted... and the op was coming for support/guidance.... you can honestly say in your whole career as a nurse (however long it may be) that you've never seen any type of scenario like this happen????

Specializes in NICU/Neonatal transport.

I do know things like that can happen and she's gotten four pages of people assuring her that things like that can happen. I just thought, for a little balance, that the other side of the coin should be presented.

We hear one side of the story and that side is almost always going to be incredibly slanted to one side, not on purpose or out of maliciousness necessarily, just that they see the situation from their side.

I do know of toxic workplaces, but it is rare that every single floor of a hospital is filled with vindictive mean people who decided to band together to take down the OP.

It's possible, but it's also possible that the opposite is true.

Wow Lilpeanut: I'm glad you were there and know the facts. There really must be something wrong with me when someone writes and signs things like I said I didn't have the take the IV course, only to show the paper work that I registered for it, and that it was written and signed that I was placed in an area that I had never been to. Are you a nurse? I forgive you for knowing all the facts. You sound very angry. Maybe you should relax and have a Coors Lite. Or a Margaita?

Love

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Hi JentheRN:

You don't think that lilpeanut could be the instructor? I'm sorry, but I had to laugh. Thank you for standing up for me. I will take you up on your offer of communication.

lilpeanut: Sorry for the sarcasm. Did I not write in one of my posts that some hospitals are good to work for and some not. Did I really say "every single hospital and every single floor?" Check it out.

I do understand about people slanting things in the other direction, especially if you have not heard the other side of the story. An example of this was when I was doing ride-alongs with the police department as a volunteer. We got a call from a couple that had been locked out by his sister. The sister asked me if I was an advocate, and started talking about all her stresses and being pregnant added to that. Really believable. Next, the brother laughingly says "she's no more pregnant than I am." Also very believable. I left and asked myself "do I really want to do this. Some of these people have "advocates" and are really slick at taking the advocates for a ride. It sounds like you have seen situations like this.

Friends?

AND, thank all of you for your support. It is a hard situation to be in, and you essentially are being nurses. That's what your job is isn't it, to help and heal people?

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

Closing thread for time out review due to personal attacks.

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