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ECMOismygame

236 Posts

Specializes in ECMO.

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deepz

612 Posts

Specializes in Anesthesia.
ramiro_ac said:
i never said we should get rid of CRNAs. you are just trying to put words in my mouth. and um i did mention that it fills a need. dont make it seem like i dont want crnas around.

Wow. Could you please do some reading before you spout off? There are many educational links in the sticky above.

Consider: ALL the hospitals in Britain use MD anesthesia only; half the hospitals in America use CRNAs only. Is there any difference in morbidity/mortality statistics in anesthesia?

No.

Anesthesia is anesthesia, extremely safe across the board. Stupervision or no.

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stklgs

45 Posts

I tell ya what, ramiro!! When you attend or graduate from an accredited Nurse Anesthesia program, then you may have an opinion on whether a CRNA can practice independently. Medical school does not determine whether or not you can deliver safe anesthesia.. Until you have walked a mile in a SRNA/CRNAs shoes you dont get to have an opinion on this subject.. That's my 0.2 cents.. Matt SRNA

ramiro_ac said:
kinda agree. my position is this. i see NP's and CRNA's as competent providers when under the supervision of a doc. once they try to practice independently thats where im against it. we need NP/PA and CRNA/AA to fill in the gaps where no one wants to work, but when one of those fields wants the independence without going to medical school, thats where i dissagree. basically what they try to say is that med school is a waste of time(i know im exaggerating). but how would you feel as a RN is suddenly Nurses Aids were able to do histories and hang blood and get a raise without going to RN school. just a 6 month intensive course. and they wanted a equal but seperate license to RN. say a CNP (ceritified nurse practitioner). how would you feel if they wanted the same rights as you. im sure you wouldnt be too happy.

Lambert5883

135 Posts

Specializes in Neuroscience ICU, Orthopedics.
jwk said:
So you're telling me there are NO CRNA's out there making $300k?

And ALL of you/them are in it ONLY because they love taking care of patients and can't imagine doing anything else, and would do it full time for nothing because they love it so much?

:rotfl:

If the costs of anesthesia school were not so exorbitant, I would not have any problem doing it for 40k - 50k a year! Even then, I still might do it regardless of the educational costs.

jwk

1,102 Posts

Lambert5883 said:
If the costs of anesthesia school were not so exorbitant, I would not have any problem doing it for 40k - 50k a year! Even then, I still might do it regardless of the educational costs.

You'd do it for less than a floor nurse makes?

Sheri257

3,905 Posts

jwk said:
You'd do it for less than a floor nurse makes?

Even floor nurses are in it for the money. People always like to say they're not in it for the money, but they are, be it floor nurse, CRNA ... whatever.

Talk to any recruiter. Higher paying positions are always filled faster than lower paying positions. If the employer offers more money, they fill the position. If they don't, it's vacant. Especially when there's a shortage.

The California BORN just did an employer survey on nursing position vacancies in the state. What was the number one reason RN's left and went to another employer? More Money. What did employers say is the number one factor in keeping and retaining nurses? More Money.

I don't care what anybody says. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. They're in it for the money.

;)

Lambert5883

135 Posts

Specializes in Neuroscience ICU, Orthopedics.
lizz said:
Even floor nurses are in it for the money. People always like to say they're not in it for the money, but they are, be it floor nurse, CRNA ... whatever.

Talk to any recruiter. Higher paying positions are always filled faster than lower paying positions. If the employer offers more money, they fill the position. If they don't, it's vacant. Especially when there's a shortage.

The California BORN just did an employer survey on nursing position vacancies in the state. What was the number one reason RN's left and went to another employer? More Money. What did employers say is the number one factor in keeping and retaining nurses? More Money.

I don't care what anybody says. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. They're in it for the money.

;)

Look, I'm leaving the IT industry, where I have, over the years, pulled in salaries ranging from 36K - 85K. Let me be quite plain in my assertion that if I had to choose between a 85K job in IT versus a 40k-50k job in nurse anesthesia, I would take the latter.

Why? Because I have no passion whatsoever in what I am doing. But, I do have a passion for anesthesia. This is why I have been puting myself and my family through hell the last couple of years in just trying to make it into nursing school. I am sure how all of you know, med students and nursing students alike, the feeling of guilt one has in pursuing one's selfish quest, particularly if you are a non-traditional type. So, don't come at me with that "talk is cheap" s***!

ramiro_ac said:
i never said we should get rid of CRNAs. you are just trying to put words in my mouth. and um i did mention that it fills a need. dont make it seem like i dont want crnas around.

You said you don't believe advanced practice nurses should be independent. That means you don't like the current system in which some CRNAs have no supervision at all, yes?

Sheri257

3,905 Posts

Lambert5883 said:
So, don't come at me with that "talk is cheap" s***!

Whatever ... :rolleyes:

If you want to say you're an e

xception, that's fine.

But the statistics don't lie. The vast majority are in it for the money. And that's true of any profession, btw.

;)

Lambert5883

135 Posts

Specializes in Neuroscience ICU, Orthopedics.
lizz said:
Whatever ... :rolleyes:

If you want to say you're an exception, that's fine.

But the statistics don't lie. The vast majority are in it for the money. And that's true of any profession, btw.

;)

"Statistics are like lampposts: they are good to lean on, but they don't shed much light."

And don't give me that condescending "whatever" nonsense, either! ?

tencat

1,350 Posts

What's wrong with wanting to be at a job where there's more compensation? Society seems to have this idea that anyone who is in a helping profession should just get satisfaction from the good work they do, and asking for more means one is 'selfish' and 'greedy.' I guess that's how society justifies treating people like nurses and teachers as second class citizens with no right to be respected or compensated for the work they do. I can't speak for nursing since I'm not yet an RN, but I know that a lot of teachers buy into that load of sh--, which only helps the higher-ups with their argument that teachers don't need more money. :uhoh3:

jwk

1,102 Posts

lizz said:

I don't care what anybody says. Talk is cheap. Actions speak louder than words. They're in it for the money.

;)

Lizz, as with deepz, we don't agree on much, but this one is dead on. Like the old saying - money talks, BS walks. It applies in most things.

Lambert5883 said:
"Statistics are like lampposts: they are good to lean on, but they don't shed much light."

And don't give me that condescending "whatever" nonsense, either! ?

Lighten up a little, will ya?

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