Covid and Hospitals: How are things now?

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macawake, MSN

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2 hours ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Are you trying to make a point with exaggeration and hyperbole or do you actually believe what you posted?

It is the former. DesiDani is misrepresenting what subee said by only quoting a part of subee’s post and then being cute about it. 
 

This is what subee wrote: 

On 1/15/2022 at 6:33 PM, subee said:

It is true that vulnerable vaxxed people can be admitted to the hospital.  They just aren't (with few exceptions) winding up in ICU's.

This is the part of subee’s post that DesiDani chose to quote:

On 1/15/2022 at 6:33 PM, subee said:


They just aren't (with few exceptions) winding up in ICU's.

And this is how DesiDani responded to the part of subee’s post that he chose to quote:

2 hours ago, DesiDani said:

So does that mean if you are not vaccinated and get COVID you are likely 100% (with a few exceptions)  guaranteed to end up in the ICU and then die. That if you do get COVID and if you are not vaccinated you will definitely end up hospitalized. With a few exceptions of course.

DesiDani just used subee’s post to try to make a point that he wanted to make. It’s not a response to what subee actually said. Subee was talking about people who are hospitalized for Covid. That is a subgroup of the much larger group who get a Covid infection. No way in Hades is it logical to ask the questions that DesiDani asked based on what subee write. It’s just his agenda shining through.

It’s popular among anti-vaxxers to pretend that individuals who support as many people as possible getting vaccinated and who say that vaccines help save lives, have also made a number of claims that they’ve in reality never made.

You can still end up in hospital if you are vaccinated. You can still end up in an ICU with Covid even if you are vaccinated. You can still die from a Covid infection, even if you are vaccinated. We all know that, and we have NEVER pretended that isn’t the case. The risk is just MANY times higher for an unvaccinated individual than it is for a vaccinated person to become seriously ill and die. 

While it appears to amuse some anti-vaxxers to try to make it sound like healthcare professionals who advocate for vaccinations are somehow hysterical, thinking and spreading the message that all unvaccinated people who get Covid will die, that simply isn’t true. We all have a pretty good grasp of what Covid CFR is, so no; we don’t think that all unvaccinated people will die from Covid. There is no reason that’s not disingenuous to ask that question. 

 

 

toomuchbaloney

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
8 minutes ago, macawake said:

It is the former. DesiDani is misrepresenting what subee said by only quoting a part of subee’s post and then trying to be cute about it. 
 

This is what subee wrote: 

This is the part of subee’s post that DesiDani chose to quote:

And this is how DesiDani responded to the part of subee’s post that he chose to quote:

DesiDani just used subee’s post to try to make a point that he wanted to make. It’s not a response to what subee actually said. Subee was talking about people who are hospitalized for Covid. That is a subgroup of the much larger group who get a Covid infection. No way in Hades is it logical to ask the questions that DesiDani asked based on what subee wrote. It’s just his agenda shining through.

It’s popular among anti-vaxxers to pretend that individuals who support as many people as possible getting vaccinated and who say that vaccines help save lives, have also made a number of claims that they’ve in reality never made.

You can still end up in hospital if you are vaccinated. You can still end up in an ICU with Covid even if you are vaccinated. You can still die from a Covid infection, even if you are vaccinated. We all know that, and we have NEVER pretended that isn’t the case. The risk is just MANY times higher for an unvaccinated individual than it is for a vaccinated person to become seriously ill and die. 

While it appears to amuse some anti-vaxxers to try to make it sound like healthcare professionals who advocate for vaccinations are somehow hysterical, thinking and spreading the message that all unvaccinated people who get Covid will die, that simply isn’t true. We all have a pretty good grasp of what Covid CFR is, so no; we don’t think that all unvaccinated people will die from Covid. There is no reason that’s not disingenuous to ask that question. 

 

 

Yes. The member in question is triggered and her comments are becoming less coherent because of it. 

DesiDani

742 Posts

10 minutes ago, macawake said:

It is the former. DesiDani is misrepresenting what subee said by only quoting a part of subee’s post and then being cute about it. 
 

This is what subee wrote: 

This is the part of subee’s post that DesiDani chose to quote:

And this is how DesiDani responded to the part of subee’s post that he chose to quote:

DesiDani just used subee’s post to try to make a point that he wanted to make. It’s not a response to what subee actually said. Subee was talking about people who are hospitalized for Covid. That is a subgroup of the much larger group who get a Covid infection. No way in Hades is it logical to ask the questions that DesiDani asked based on what subee write. It’s just his agenda shining through.

It’s popular among anti-vaxxers to pretend that individuals who support as many people as possible getting vaccinated and who say that vaccines help save lives, have also made a number of claims that they’ve in reality never made.

You can still end up in hospital if you are vaccinated. You can still end up in an ICU with Covid even if you are vaccinated. You can still die from a Covid infection, even if you are vaccinated. We all know that, and we have NEVER pretended that isn’t the case. The risk is just MANY times higher for an unvaccinated individual than it is for a vaccinated person to become seriously ill and die. 

While it appears to amuse some anti-vaxxers to try to make it sound like healthcare professionals who advocate for vaccinations are somehow hysterical, thinking and spreading the message that all unvaccinated people who get Covid will die, that simply isn’t true. We all have a pretty good grasp of what Covid CFR is, so no; we don’t think that all unvaccinated people will die from Covid. There is no reason that’s not disingenuous to ask that question. 

 

 

Are you kidding me? Oh boy. Just stop too much.

toomuchbaloney

12,662 Posts

Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
3 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

Are you kidding me? Oh boy. Just stop too much.

What part of the answer to your hyperbolic question did you have trouble comprehending?

macawake, MSN

2,141 Posts

3 minutes ago, toomuchbaloney said:

Yes. The member in question is triggered and her comments are becoming less coherent because of it. 

I don’t know why on earth DesiDani made that post. It just seemed pointless to me. 

Generally speaking, I think the approach of intimating that someone has made a claim that they haven’t actually made, has been used by many posters as a strategy throughout the pandemic. I think it’s designed to make us argue and spend time refuting arguments we’ve never even made. I’m not commenting on a specific poster, but in general there has been a tone of mockery and derision that’s been used as a distraction. Remember the one-hit wonders who ridiculed posters who took the pandemic seriously and who support vaccines, calling them scared and said that they were cowering in fear under their couches or beds or whatever. It’s an effective strategy to use when you want to make a lot of noise to try to disguise the fact that facts and science aren’t on your side. If you don’t have facts, you make noise instead. 

macawake, MSN

2,141 Posts

14 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

Are you kidding me? Oh boy. Just stop too much.

Sure, I can stop. But I’m wondering what part of my post you didn’t agree with? If you’d genuinely thought that subee was implying that they believe that 100% of all unvaccinated individuals (with few exceptions) who get a Covid infection will die, then my response to you would have been unfair and rude. But I don’t think you ever thought that subee was saying that, did you? Correct me if I’m wrong. 

toomuchbaloney

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
15 minutes ago, macawake said:

I don’t know why on earth DesiDani made that post. It just seemed pointless to me. 

Generally speaking, I think the approach of intimating that someone has made a claim that they haven’t actually made, has been used by many posters as a strategy throughout the pandemic. I think it’s designed to make us argue and spend time refuting arguments we’ve never even made. I’m not commenting on a specific poster, but in general there has been a tone of mockery and derision that’s been used as a distraction. Remember the one-hit wonders who ridiculed posters who took the pandemic seriously and who support vaccines, calling them scared and said that they were cowering in fear under their couches or beds or whatever. It’s an effective strategy to use when you want to make a lot of noise to try to disguise the fact that facts and science aren’t on your side. If you don’t have facts, you make noise instead. 

Indeed.  

They don't have facts.  They have emotions and feelings and beliefs and do they post nonsense and hyperbole and exaggeration and try to create animus rather than engage in discussion.  There have been a number of members using those tactics.  DesiDani is just the current member engaged in that fashion...likely triggered by mention of Trump. 

Meanwhile, American hospitals are struggling with covid cases...both in staff and in patients. 

DesiDani

742 Posts

18 minutes ago, macawake said:

Sure, I can stop. But I’m wondering what part of my post you didn’t agree with? If you’d genuinely thought that subee was implying that they believe that 100% of all unvaccinated individuals (with few exceptions) who get a Covid infection will die, then my response to you would have been unfair and rude. But I don’t think you ever thought that subee was saying that, did you? Correct me if I’m wrong. 

Isn't the point is to scare people into getting the vaccine. COVID after all is deadly (true) so why not put a little deadly fear and shame on the ignorant who won't get vaccinated. 

Don't question me, question why you don't like the tone (I guess) of the playback.

 

macawake, MSN

2,141 Posts

50 minutes ago, DesiDani said:

Isn't the point is to scare people into getting the vaccine. COVID after all is deadly (true) so why not put a little deadly fear and shame on the ignorant who won't get vaccinated. 

Don't question me, question why you don't like the tone (I guess) of the playback.

 

No, the point isn’t to scare people into getting the vaccine. The point is to inform, explain and educate the general public so that they understand that getting vaccinated is the intelligent and rational thing to do. This is something that healthcare professionals already know. (Well, most of us). And those healthcare workers who don’t, I can’t help. 

I don’t use a seat belt when I drive a car because I’m scared. I wear it because I know it’s the smart thing to do since I value my physical health. I don’t brush my teeth, floss etc. because I live in fear of cavities and endocarditis. I do it because I understand that it’s important for my health. (and of course because it would feel rather icky not to). I have don’t have insurance because I’m convinced something bad is about to happen, but because it’s the rational choice just in case something were to happen. So no, fear isn’t the primary motivator. Making rational choices that benefit me and sometimes other people as well, is. The vaccines are the same. Getting vaccinated against an infectious disease in the middle of a pandemic makes sense. It’s as simple as that.

Your post wasn’t ”playback” of what subee said. It was your misrepresented interpretation of what subee actually said. I’m not sure why you don’t see that? 

Any way, this thread is supposed to be about people sharing how the Covid situation is in there area, not arguing about vaccines. So I’m done.

 

toomuchbaloney

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Specializes in NICU, PICU, Transport, L&D, Hospice.
1 hour ago, DesiDani said:

Isn't the point is to scare people into getting the vaccine. COVID after all is deadly (true) so why not put a little deadly fear and shame on the ignorant who won't get vaccinated. 

Don't question me, question why you don't like the tone (I guess) of the playback.

 

No that's not the point. 

Do you have something to say about how covid is affecting your employment environment?

JBMmom, MSN, NP

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Specializes in New Critical care NP, Critical care, Med-surg, LTC.
2 hours ago, DesiDani said:

Isn't the point is to scare people into getting the vaccine. COVID after all is deadly (true) so why not put a little deadly fear and shame on the ignorant who won't get vaccinated. 

My point is never to scare anyone into anything. I can only give people the view of the pandemic from my ICU. I see primarily unvaccinated people, or vaccinated/partially vaccinated people with significant comorbidities being put on ventilators. We only put them on a ventilator when it seems nearly 100% likely that not doing so will result in their death- like persistent oxygen saturation levels in the 80s or worse with worsening ABG results and altered mental status. Because the statistics for those on ventilators aren't much better, the majority will die and the deaths are awful. 

I don't know the percentages of patients on the med-surg floor for vax status. I don't know the statistics for those that are discharged, or never come to the hospital in the first place. Sure, I know people in the community both vaxed and unvaxed that have had relatively mild courses of COVID. But the majority of the people I've seen with COVID have been in the ICU and most of them have died. If that scares someone so be it, that's my pandemic reality.

When we intubated our last two patients in the ICU last night we used the last two ventilators available in my hospital. We are apparently awaiting loaned ventilators from other hospitals later today but until then if there's a code, we're out of luck. Someone will be bagging for an awful long time. We have critical care patients in the PACU, the PCU, the ED and our full unit. We've lost nearly half our critical care trained staff in the past year, and four more are leaving in the next month. We are half travelers on nights, with varying levels of skill and ability to integrate into the culture of a small community hospital. It is a dumpster fire. Every shift. And the people hurt most are the patients. 

I don't want to scare anyone, but I don't want to see anyone come to my place of work either. Because no matter what reason you're there, you're probably not getting the care that any nurse knows you deserve, but we're treading water and getting tired.  

subee, MSN, CRNA

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2 hours ago, macawake said:

No, the point isn’t to scare people into getting the vaccine. The point is to inform, explain and educate the general public so that they understand that getting vaccinated is the intelligent and rational thing to do. This is something that healthcare professionals already know. (Well, most of us). And those healthcare workers who don’t, I can’t help. 

I don’t use a seat belt when I drive a car because I’m scared. I wear it because I know it’s the smart thing to do since I value my physical health. I don’t brush my teeth, floss etc. because I live in fear of cavities and endocarditis. I do it because I understand that it’s important for my health. (and of course because it would feel rather icky not to). I have don’t have insurance because I’m convinced something bad is about to happen, but because it’s the rational choice just in case something were to happen. So no, fear isn’t the primary motivator. Making rational choices that benefit me and sometimes other people as well, is. The vaccines are the same. Getting vaccinated against an infectious disease in the middle of a pandemic makes sense. It’s as simple as that.

Your post wasn’t ”playback” of what subee said. It was your misrepresented interpretation of what subee actually said. I’m not sure why you don’t see that? 

Any way, this thread is supposed to be about people sharing how the Covid situation is in there area, not arguing about vaccines. So I’m done.

 

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