Could masks be another vector?

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Consider that when people go about their daily lives they put their hands on everything in their environment; door handles, gas pumps, counter tops, store shelves, etcetera. 

And I notice people constantly touching and readjusting their masks. Some people do it almost subconsciously.

I notice people wearing everything from flimsy & porous cloth masks, to bandanas and surgical masks. I even saw a guy with a full beard wearing an ill fitting N-95 the other day.

It stands to reason that when people constantly touch their masks they transfer germs to the mask with their dirty hands, and subsequently inhale the germs. 

The average size of a COVID-19 virus  particulate is approximately 0.125 Micron or 125 nanometers in diameter so various face coverings provide different levels of protection and some not at all.

In my opinion, masks may help, especially the immunocompromised. But they also give people a false sense of protection, and at worst, may be another vector. 

We've been masking for almost eight months and we continue to see new cases daily.

Thoughts?

30 minutes ago, HiddencatBSN said:

PCR can’t give false positives. Amplification doesn’t create things that aren’t there, it increases the sensitivity of the test to detect what IS there. There aren’t standards on amplification cycles so 34-35 isn’t necessarily ideal. 

Johns Hopkins removed a study from where? Are you talking about a newsletter article that’s been removed from their site or an actual study that has been disappeared?

By false positive, I meant, the reactive result of the test has no implications in how the person is feeling, how if any treatment will be needed, if the person is symptomatic, if the person is contagious. I go back to this fairy tale that Fauci just loves to point out about the fact that "so many people are asymptomatic and contagious at the same time" . That is completely backwards in how infectious diseases are known to be spread. Person A has severe respiratory symptoms, fever, cough, etc. That person is MUCH more contagious than person B who maybe has mild headache or mild symptoms. Y'all care so much about studies, studies, show me the studies...you know there aren't any studies out there that can prove that people who are asymptomatic can spread a respiratory infection. Just think logically, it would be near impossible to design a study like that without clear bias. 

This quote is from Kary Mullis- inventor of PCR test:

"PCR is just a process that allows you to make a whole lot of something out of something. It doesn’t tell you that you are sick, or that the thing that you ended up with was going to hurt you or anything like that.”

 

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Specializes in Peds ED.

OK so by false positive you actually don’t mean false positive at all. Glad we’re just using words willy nilly here.

I guess I should repeat myself that while we do have some evidence that asymptotic carriers can be infectious, we have even more evidence that presymptomatic positives are contagious. There’s no way to know from one test without followup which you are, and our testing isn’t widespread enough to be even close to doing that on a population level. When you only know someone has a very low viral load of a contagious disease we’re trying to control, the safest thing is to assume they are early in the course of infection and isolate accordingly to minimize the opportunity for them to become more contagious and infect more people.

Can you predict the future enough to know that an asymptomatic carrier does in fact stay an asymptomatic carrier and isn’t in fact presymptomatic?

Go to pub med and search asymptomatic transmission, search for presymptomatic transmission.  

Also you could brush up on general disease spread because we put out respiratory droplets when we breathe and talk and if you Google you can find tons of visuals demonstrating this. 

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On 11/29/2020 at 11:14 AM, JVBT said:

Is there a way to fact check these original comments? This does not pass the smell test, so to speak, and seems more than anything to be politically motivated.

Sure there is a way to fact check the video.

Check the facts.

This guy did.

This is another outstanding piece of work, nearly as good as Plandemic.

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11 hours ago, hherrn said:

Is this a serious question, from a nurse, whether wearing masks will help reduce virus transmission?

What exactly are you trying to say. Just say it. 

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It only stands to reason that flimsy cloth masks and  bandanas that much of the general public wears can spread the virus. Because people constantly touch them with dirty hands and then breath in the germs -basic Microbiology. 

Even surgical masks are not a 100% guarantee. 

Much of the general public does not wear the masks properly. 

Wearing the wrong type of mask is like using a condom with a hole in it. 

We should instruct our immunocompromised patients to wear masks properly, to wear them if they have to go out; practice good hand hygiene and most importantly -TO STAY WHEN POSSIBLE. 

As for the rest of the general population, from what I can see mask mandates are a mute point. Name one virus that we have defeated by wearing masks -I'll wait..... 

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22 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

Sounds like you all are drinking the mask cool aid for sure. You have to understand that anytime a study comes out that contradicts the narrative of this medical technocracy, it is immediately removed by the people in control who do not want the public to have that information. Thinking logically, if the whole nation has been wearing a damn mask since March, how can you explain the "spike" or third "wave" that we are apparently going through (according to them).?? Isn't it clear that masking anywhere and everwhere is clearly not effective in reducing transmission?

 

How many peer reviewed studies have you seen removed by someone other than the author? (not talking about FB and IG posts, actual studies on respected sites).
Do you really believe the nation has been wearing masks and taking this virus seriously since March? Come on Jack. Even in my circles of people who do believe in mask wearing and the seriousness of the pandemic I've seen many more of them hanging out and socializing, going out to eat more, traveling, and just mingling in general. Apply that to someone who thought it was a hoax in the first place........it's just naive to say people have been consistent about precautions, especially in the last month or two. We have moved into new (and hopefully temporary) normal and people aren't nearly as worried about it as they were months ago, and it's showing in our behavior.

You might want to check the cup you're sipping out of, my friend, your lips are looking awfully red.

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As for masks being 100% effective.......of course they're not! So what?

While that would be nice, that's not the point at all. It's just to help mitigate the spread so we can get back to some form of normalcy while we try to figure out how to get it under control.

Even if masks reduce the spread by 1% (which is likely a drastic underestimation), then that's 1% fewer people to get it, and when you or a loved one are in that 1% and happen to end up on a rotoprone, CRRT or ECMO with a tube down your throat (like many people in my hospital right now) then suddenly that's a pretty significant number.

It's just not that big of a deal to wear a stupid mask. Get over it. Yes, many people don't understand them and misuse them, but that doesn't mean they're useless collectively. We (in the medical field) have been using them for DECADES and no one has questioned their efficacy until now. No "deep state" cares about you and whether you wear one or not.

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On 11/30/2020 at 9:48 AM, SansNom said:

How many peer reviewed studies have you seen removed by someone other than the author? (not talking about FB and IG posts, actual studies on respected sites).
Do you really believe the nation has been wearing masks and taking this virus seriously since March? Come on Jack. Even in my circles of people who do believe in mask wearing and the seriousness of the pandemic I've seen many more of them hanging out and socializing, going out to eat more, traveling, and just mingling in general. Apply that to someone who thought it was a hoax in the first place........it's just naive to say people have been consistent about precautions, especially in the last month or two. We have moved into new (and hopefully temporary) normal and people aren't nearly as worried about it as they were months ago, and it's showing in our behavior.

You might want to check the cup you're sipping out of, my friend, your lips are looking awfully red.

Before you invest a whole lot of energy into Jack, have a look at his history and see if you think he is an actual nurse, interested in participating in a discussion.  
Brand new, saying outlandish stuff, immediately enmeshed in controversy.  Hmmm...

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1 hour ago, hherrn said:

Before you invest a whole lot of energy into Jack, have a look at his history and see if you think he is an actual nurse, interested in participating in a discussion.  
Brand new, saying outlandish stuff, immediately enmeshed in controversy.  Hmmm...

good point. I don't often bother looking into that. thanks.

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4 hours ago, SansNom said:

good point. I don't often bother looking into that. thanks.

Of course I am a real nurse. But, sadly, it's not worth it to me to post my personal information online, especially when many of my opinions on Covid will go against the mainstream clinicians' views. Which is the reason y'all decided to check into my profile to see who you were dealing with and if I don't think like you then I must not be an actual nurse. Sadly, free speech is becoming a thing of the past, especially when said speech is contradicting what the mainstream news is trying to drill into all our heads. First it was close everything down until we can get a vaccine, now it's "even when the vaccine is widespread, we are still not out of the woods..." And so it goes on and on. But be sure to mask up, because those things are saving lives out there. Do you really want to open that box of "we aren't sure you aren't sick, so we need you to wear a mask and treat you like you are sick", which is no different than "we aren't sure that you don't have more than the allowed maximum of people gathering here in your home at one time, so based on public health safety, we are going to enter your property and do a search"... 

4 hours ago, Jack Peace said:

Of course I am a real nurse. But, sadly, it's not worth it to me to post my personal information online, especially when many of my opinions on Covid will go against the mainstream clinicians' views. Which is the reason y'all decided to check into my profile to see who you were dealing with and if I don't think like you then I must not be an actual nurse. Sadly, free speech is becoming a thing of the past, especially when said speech is contradicting what the mainstream news is trying to drill into all our heads. First it was close everything down until we can get a vaccine, now it's "even when the vaccine is widespread, we are still not out of the woods..." And so it goes on and on. But be sure to mask up, because those things are saving lives out there. Do you really want to open that box of "we aren't sure you aren't sick, so we need you to wear a mask and treat you like you are sick", which is no different than "we aren't sure that you don't have more than the allowed maximum of people gathering here in your home at one time, so based on public health safety, we are going to enter your property and do a search"... 

Difference of opinion?

Whether or not it is ethical for a nurse to refuse covid pts without adequate PPE is an opinion.

Whether  limited vents should go to the sickest or the youngest is an opinion.

A forum post by a nurse about whether masks are effective is a public embarassment.

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