Considering LNC

Editorial Team / Admin · Jun 30, 2006

hello, tnbutterfly and welcome to allnurses.com

i know we have been chatting via private messages, but i wanted to welcome you to the site.

i hope some who have taken this course will help you today. but, i'm afraid you have waited too long to get the info from members to help you before registration closes.

maybe you need to take a little time to research a little more? then, get in on the next course? afterall, this is your future and you want to make the right decision/s.

good luck in whatever you decide and enjoy the site here at allnurses.

Columnist · Jun 30, 2006

Siri,

Thanks for all of your helpful comments. I sent you another private message. You may answer that here if you want to. I think I have decided to wait awhile.

I would really be interested in hearing from anyone out there who is a LNC.......which program of training did you take, comments about that program, what kind of work load do you have, how did you get started, etc. It really helps to hear from those out in the field.

lynmark · Jul 8, 2006

I just wrote a response to another post, but in case you don't see it... I took the Milazzo coorifice in June in Houston and would recommend this to anyone interested in the field. I am not putting the Kaplan coorifice down... I also researched thheir program but I felt Vickie's program was more well rounded in that it included all aspects of being of LNC. Practicing writing reports and how to screen systematically is invaluable, not to mention the marketing chapter and applying what you learned. Personally I felt the Kaplan program was primarily academic where as the Milazzo program was more comprhensive and individualized. Just an opinion, but I felt the coorifice was the best thing I have done.

Columnist · Jul 8, 2006

stradivariusrn,

Thanks for your comment. Which level of the Milazzo course did you take? Basic or VIP? I have researched that as well. I am just concerned about the 6 day seminar. So much to learn in such a short time.

henayneiCLNC · Jul 9, 2006

if you take the VIP you will receive course material, including videos or DVDs to study before you go to the 6 day course (I registered and paid for the course some 3 months before the date of the 6 day seminar -I received my materials more than 10 weeks before the seminar - plenty of time for me to study). While they do cover the same material, I found it invaluable that I studied the material at home, at my own pace, making my notes..... and then went through the 6 day course, with 200 other nurses, who had questions that were answered, and the live instruction gave added depth and dimension to the material, and I added to my notes there :) Having gone through the material at home first I found I was much freer to listen and absorb than if I had to also be concerned with writing down each note and nuisance it is a little more expensive but this and the other perks that go with the VIP are well worth it!! to me at least :)

Columnist · Jul 10, 2006

HenayneiCLNC,

I didn't know you could get the course material ahead of time....before you go to the seminar. Of course that is only if you choose the VIP level, which is so expensive. But that would help you get so much more out of the seminar. Thanks for passing that idea on. That sounds like the way to go , if you choose Milazzo. When did you go to the seminar? Did you consider any other courses? How is your work going?

henayneiCLNC · Jul 10, 2006

HenayneiCLNC,
I didn't know you could get the course material ahead of time....before you go to the seminar. Of course that is only if you choose the VIP level, which is so expensive. But that would help you get so much more out of the seminar.

It sure did me!

Thanks for passing that idea on. That sounds like the way to go , if you choose Milazzo.

You are welcome :)

When did you go to the seminar?

In April of this year

Did you consider any other courses?

I looked at quite a few - I decided on VMI for numerous reasons (cost obviously was not one of the

) - I felt they had more real world mileage in this field and they had something the others did not - real live support, by phone and on line. They have a reputation (and a good one) and nurses, not academicians

How is your work going?

I have made some head way, but it is slower than most because I always do things in a big way, and the hardest :) In this case that means I agreed to buy a house, moved over 800 miles, left my job, went from a household of 2 to a household of 4, did not have a job where I was going and changed careers (CLNC). The really bright spot is that one of those 4 people is my adult son and he found a modest job fairly quickly and this helped a lot!

I have been vacillating between trying to do the networking and contacting that is necessary to get this off the ground and the pressure and necessity of trying to get immediate $$ to feed us and pay bills - I'm feeding 4 people on less than $100/week right now and praying the bills paid I just got the $ to get the printing done for my business cards and stationary. So last week I sent out my first contact letters, and another set this morning. I plan to make my first follow-up calls tomorrow (phone was down today due to road repair).

Columnist · Jul 12, 2006

henaynei,

You have overcome quite a few obstacles to get your LNC practice going. With your persistence, I'm sure you will do fine. Good luck! Keep us informed of how things are going.

Tnbutterfly

countrysg · Jul 12, 2006

I too am looking into LNC as a new career path. One concern I have in doing my research is the future of "certification" - as I research how to become educated as a legal nurse consultant, I notice that the "CLNC" which is received from the Vickie Milazzo institute is apparantly NOT recognized by the American Board of Nursing Specialties: "In compliance with ABNS standards and requirements, the American Legal Nurse Consultant Certification Board (ALNCCB) certifies legal nurse consultant professionals through the Legal Nurse Consultant Certified (LNCC) program."

and...

"LNCC is the only legal nurse consulting credential recognized by AALNC and accredited by ABNS."

This info is from the American Association of Legal Nurse Consulting website.

Do any of you have further info/opinion about this?

I just worry about spending lots of money on the 6 day course, but then not have attained something that is recognized within the specialty nursing community. Any thoughts?

From a first time poster ....

Editorial Team / Admin · Jul 12, 2006

:balloons: hello, countrysg and welcome to allnurses.com and the legal nursing forum:balloons:

if you will look at the abns, you will see this board does not recognize many certification programs.

lncc is the only legal nurse consulting credential recognized by aalnc and accredited by abns."

this is true for the certification title only - not the profession as a whole.

here is an excerpt from the aalnc regarding the ana's recognition of the lnc as rn practice.

aalnc scope and standards on legal nurse consulting as rn practice
chicago (april 11, 2006)-the american nurses association (ana) newly adopted legal nurse consulting: scope and standards of practice affirms that legal nurse consultants are indeed practicing nurses, and that legal nurse consulting is recognized as a nursing specialty. this scope and standards document has been developed by the american association of legal nurse consultants (aalnc) in collaboration with the ana and incorporates public comments received from its six-week posting on the ana web site.
lynda kopishke, president of aalnc, states that "as knowledge-based professionals, legal nurse consultants perform a critical analysis of clinical and administrative nursing practice, healthcare facts and issues, and their outcomes. these analyses are used to improve future healthcare for patients, to advocate for remedies for patients, and to provide education to clients, patients, healthcare providers and the public." by virtue of nursing knowledge - which must remain current - as well as training and experience, the role of a legal nurse consultant must be performed by a registered nurse and is, in fact, a specialized practice within the field of nursing. in many jurisdictions the state nurse practice act and associated regulatory language have conveyed title protection for the term "nurse." "nursing - including the specialty of legal nurse consulting - is a knowledge-based profession, and when using that knowledge the legal nurse consultant is indeed practicing the profession of nursing and must maintain an active license as a registered nurse...

note: this is for lnc as a whole, not one certifying body over another with resultant acronyms (clnc, lncc, etc).

if you are concerned for the future, you may sit for the aalnc exam. here are the requirements for this exam:

to be eligible to take the examination, candidates must have the following at the time of application:
current licensure as a registered nurse in the united states or its territories, with a full and unrestricted license
a minimum of five years of experience practicing as a registered nurse
evidence of 2000 hours of legal nurse consulting experience within the past three years.

http://www.aalnc.org/lncc/about/eligibility.cfm

the legal nurse consulting: scope and standards of practice is from the ana/aalnc regarding lncs as a whole (yes, the lncc is the only certification recognized by the abns, but the scope/standards of practice are for the lnc as a whole, not a particular certification):

http://nursingworld.org/practice/legalnurse.pdf

there are many avenues for formal education as an lnc. one must delve through these entities and make an informed decision for ones' future. it is very important.

but, bear in mind, if you decide to receive education/certification from any entity, you may still sit for the aalnc certification examination after fulfilling the requirements.

good luck with your decisions for the future and enjoy the site here at allnurses.com:balloons:

henayneiCLNC · Jul 12, 2006

as I understand it, the AALNC is a "competing" body to the VMI and LNCC is their certification just as CLNC is the VMI certification .....

It is also my understanding that the AALNC exam requires much more legal knowledge than the CLNC. This is no problem for me. VMI goes to some length to educate us about the kinds of law and cases to which we can apply our skills and they also stress that they are NOT making us lawyers OR paralegals. We are nurses working with and assisting lawyers, but the law is their job and field just as nursing and medicine are ours :)

I have no desire to become an expert in case law. I do desire to be a strong tool and ally for the lawyer and his/her client as the lawyer advocates their case :) when medical issues are involved :)

b'Shalom

Henaynei proud to be CLNC