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Hi,

I am a nurse in bayarea who completed all licensing exams, have work permit..but still doesnt have a job. To be honest, i am totally frustrated. I tried calling many employers for my disappointment. Should i go with a recruitng agency? Or should i look for a SNF to begin with? Somebody plz advice.:bluecry1:

JJG

As a US-educated nurse, I find it insulting that so many brand new Filipino nurses continue to claim that their country produces "the best nurses in the world." I have to wonder where this idea is coming from. Are your teachers telling you this? Your government?

At one point, the Philippines was known for training quality, skilled nurses. Sadly, that reputation has been tarnished by the proliferation of second-rate, fly-by-night nursing schools that are handing out BSN's that aren't worth the paper they're printed on. When "clinical experience" involves numerous students caring for a single patient, how can a student possibly master new skills? How can you learn critical thinking?

Does your hands-on training involve the same technologically-advanced equipment that is found in US and EU hospitals? If not, you are not qualified to work in that setting without additional training.

What about nursing ethics? The nurses who were involved in the incident where a surgical patient had an item removed from his rectum, and filmed it and posted it on YouTube must have missed that course!

There are many, many nurses from around the world who have graduated from outstanding nursing programs. I'm sure I am not the only one who feels insulted when Filipino nurses "brag" about their "high quality," especially since that "quality" is being called into question more and more.

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I work with a lot of Filipino nurses, and from what they tell me, the education system over there requires them to have X amount of clinical hours, which is more than here in the US....That is the one thing that they have an advantage, is clinical experience before they sit for their boards.....Now I also worked with Filipino nurses who I question their education and how they got it...I honestly think that they had to have bought their degree or something because some of them are just ding-bats.....Thankfully I don't currently work with ding-bats anymore....But the ones that I currently work with know their stuff!!!!.....Their English is almost perfect....but I have worked (and currently still see in other units) with some who's English is below 5th grade level and they shouldn't be allowed on the floor to practice nursing....If we are required to be proficient in English before we graduate college here in the States, then it should be required that any foreign (not just Filipinos) nurse who is going to work here in the medical field should be proficient in English as well....I've read charts where the English is sooooooooo bad, it's pitiful.......But before (I have a Bachelors) we were allowed to graduate college we had to take one more Upper Division English class and pass the class....and that class wasn't easy!!!!...

But on a fair note, I want to give credit where it's deserved and I work with a lot of sharp Filipino nurses....and I've learned so much from them....and it shows that they do know their stuff!!!!

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SUZANE.=>, i have a question...i understand about the retrogression issue, no offense to this but to be honest is there discrimination in selecting nurses??although i know already numerous filipinos work there so naturally i guess there is no discrimination in selecting nurses, i use to work in a call center, i was a technical support agent for tracfone and net 10, i had a customer who told me that filipinos are the best ICU nurses, im not showing off or anything by the way please forgive if i cant type in capital letters my keyboard is busted so sometimes caps lock works sometimes it doesnt anyway is there discrimination in selecting nurses???

There is no discrimination, candidates are selected based on what they can offer to the employer. Working in a call center is not the same as having experience as an RN.

And anything being said about the skills of the Filipino nurse is based on those that trained years ago, not what is coming out of school now. Anmd since very few that have come over in the past few years are even working in the ICUs here, there is nothing to talk about any further on this subject.

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sUZANNE, i attended my oath taking, its actually not 45percent and as stated by one of the board of nurses in the phils. she stated it herself, i forgot the exact percentage but only 41percent passed the local board in the phils..in cebu out of 5 thousand something only 3 thousand something pass(i forgot exactly how many) she also stated that based on our records those filipinos who took the NCLEX more percentage of filipinos passed thats nation wide in our country that was part of her speech during our oath taking in redemptorist parish church

So less than 45%, that just even further backs up what I am stating.

It is still a shoody number and more reason to close down a larger number of programs there.

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And to clear up a few misunderstandings, there are no new grad Filipino nurses that are coming over to the US now and getting directly hired for the ICUs. Just not going to happen. And the training that is going on there now is not the same as it was even ten years ago. The reputation of the Filipino nurse was built on the skills of those that came here twenty years ago, not the quality that is coming out of the programs there now.

Sorry to say but there are perhaps fifty or so that are top notch and always have been, but the majority of the others? If they were anywhere else, they would have been closed down already.

And I do not understand how a new grad can come here and boast that they are some of the best nurses in the world when they have no experience and their clinical training now is not what it used to be either. Their hours on the clinical units are definitely not much more than what is done in the US, far from that. And when one trains and there are 15 to 10 students per one patient, you tell me about skills. They just are not there.

And when I see four year BSNs coming to the US that have never inserted a foley catheter, or an NG tube, or had anything to do with an IV, and you tell me that you are one of the best nurses in the world?

The nurses in the Philippines do not even do assessments the way that we do in the US, it is the responsibility of the physician for the assessment. And how many of you are very aware of heart tones and breath sounds and can pick them out if you were listening to them and know what they meant?

Experience gets respect, and it is not just assumed because one has a four year degree from anyplace. Skills are what matters.

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yeah i noticed your user name and i came to realize that this is not a filipino forum i thought it was becuase everything in this forum looks exactly like a forum called istorya.net and i also came to realize that you are not a filipino because you dont type english words using short cut example "that=dat" hehehe filipinos are very fond of using short cuts like "cause=cuz"so when i see someone's text and it is in complete spelling aw dis i s not a fil. hehehehe anyway where are you designated in ??which part of the united states are you working in???

I'm in California and I was raised here...Since I was educated here I learned English at a very young age....There are still some words that I have a hard time translating into English, and there are some words that I have a hard time translating into SPANISH! LMAO.....yeah go figure!

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Where are you designated in is not English that we use in the US or anyplace else. Can you please translate what you are asking?

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Just giving a friendly reminder to everyone to stay within the topic of the original post as intended by the thread starter.

Also, we do have stickies both in the Int'l and PH forum reminding everyone not to use Text Language in the forums and to as much as possible use proper grammar and sentence structure.

The English language, being only a second language to most would certainly mean that our communication skills may not be perfect. Mine isn't perfect either but we should at least try rather than take too many shortcuts.

Thanks for understanding.

P.S. Also, note that opinions expressed by individuals on forums are solely their own (may it be informed or not) and should not be regarded as anything more than that nor presume that it is the general opinion of others as well. Thanks.

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As a US-educated nurse, I find it insulting that so many brand new Filipino nurses continue to claim that their country produces "the best nurses in the world." I have to wonder where this idea is coming from. Are your teachers telling you this? Your government?

At one point, the Philippines was known for training quality, skilled nurses. Sadly, that reputation has been tarnished by the proliferation of second-rate, fly-by-night nursing schools that are handing out BSN's that aren't worth the paper they're printed on. When "clinical experience" involves numerous students caring for a single patient, how can a student possibly master new skills? How can you learn critical thinking?

Does your hands-on training involve the same technologically-advanced equipment that is found in US and EU hospitals? If not, you are not qualified to work in that setting without additional training.

What about nursing ethics? The nurses who were involved in the incident where a surgical patient had an item removed from his rectum, and filmed it and posted it on YouTube must have missed that course!

There are many, many nurses from around the world who have graduated from outstanding nursing programs. I'm sure I am not the only one who feels insulted when Filipino nurses "brag" about their "high quality," especially since that "quality" is being called into question more and more.

Just a bit of information I found on the Internet to support what you are saying...

Filipino nurses told: Improve clinical skills

By Cris Evert Lato

Cebu Daily News

First Posted 12:29:00 02/22/2008

Aside from good English skills, Filipino nurses need to improve their clinical skills to be globally-competitive, a nursing review center official said yesterday......He said clinical skills refer to basic skills in interpreting electrocardiogram (ECG), reading of X-ray results and getting blood pressure among others.

He cited cases of Filipino nurses in Australia and Saudi Arabia who were sent back to the Philippines because of their inability to perform basic clinical procedures.

http://globalnation.inquirer.net/cebudailynews/enterprise/view/20080222-120517/Filipino-nurses-told-Improve-clinical-skills

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Closing this thread as it has continuously gotten off-topic from the original topic of w/c the thread starter intended it to be.

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