Concealed Carry for Caregivers

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I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it.:D I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.

Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.

I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?

I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.

Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.

What do you mean "one single caregiver" could have shut this down? How would a "caregiver" have been any different from any other concealed carry permit holder? What would have been so special about a concealed carry "caregiver" in this situation? Caregivers have better aim? Is there any reason to think there were "caregivers" present yesterday who could have saved the day if only they had been packing heat?

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I wouldn't want anyone with a gun taking care of me or a family member, and I feel I have that right as a patient.

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I just don't understand how you guys can be on your what...335th? shooting this year, twice this week, and STILL think the answer is more guns! Do you not know what life is like in every first world country except the united states? It honestly frightens me.

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I just don't understand how you guys can be on your what...335th? shooting this year, twice this week, and STILL think the answer is more guns! Do you not know what life is like in every first world country except the united states? It honestly frightens me.

Crazy how those terrorists just went around throwing rolls and potatoes at all those people in gun-free Paris.

Terrorists tend to do what terrorists do regardless if it is illegal.

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Crazy how those terrorists just went around throwing rolls and potatoes at all those people in gun-free Paris.

Terrorists tend to do what terrorists do regardless if it is illegal.

And that would be 2 shootings that year - which was a COMPLETE shock. Now the below is just a quick google because I have homework to research anyways - but ya. You can see the difference I hope?

"Over the decade and a half studied, the researchers found 23 incidents of mass shootings in the other 10 countries, resulting in 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, there were 133 incidents that left 487 dead and 505 wounded."

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And that would be 2 shootings that year - which was a COMPLETE shock. Now the below is just a quick google because I have homework to research anyways - but ya. You can see the difference I hope?

"Over the decade and a half studied, the researchers found 23 incidents of mass shootings in the other 10 countries, resulting in 200 dead and 231 wounded. In the United States over the same period, there were 133 incidents that left 487 dead and 505 wounded."

But then, how does that compare to a percentage of the population? The US has a much larger population than many other first world countries.

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It's nice to think we all could shoot someone in the head in such a moment but the statistics on lethal encounter proximity and hit ratios according to distance for law enforcement are surprisingly bleak to say the least. Basically, some research indicates that you have to be within 3' of someone to stand a decent chance and a hit ratio of 0-2 years is only 38%. Those are for law enforcement officers, people trained to deal with such a situation. Here is one such study: http://www.theppsc.org/Staff_Views/Aveni/OIS.pdf

It seems like it should be so easy to shoot someone in the head but these people were prepared. Also, because of the frequent active shooter drills, many employees thought what was happening was another drill (you know, because we all read and remember the drill notice memos in our email). So, you can either be a sitting duck or shoot someone during a drill -- the chance you'll actually take out a bad guy is slim to none.

So, no, I do not agree that people should be carrying guns in hospitals (also, this was not a treatment facility but rather a county public resource facility). I do think what needs to be addressed in this country is the "hobby" mentality surrounding tactical gear and M&P grade weaponry. We need the higher capacity clips and bigger rounds and why can't we all have Kevlar vests?!?!?! Waaaaaaaahhh the government needs to stay out of it. Blah.

For what it's worth, a close friend was there and knew the guy that did this. He wished he had his handgun there because he felt so helpless and unsafe. While I was terrified about the fact he was even 50 feet away from what was taking place and I sympathize with his feelings, I really doubt that he would have had a moment of expert marksmanship that would have saved the day. We really need to get over this kind of thinking because there are "all or nothing" implications here. Also, if it sounds like I'm advocating gun control, I am not. I am in California but it's the IE and hunters, fisherman and gun enthusiasts abound here and it's just the culture. But you don't need to shoot a deer or a quail with an AR-15. There would be nothing left of the animal to eat.

Sorry, I'm just raw from all this. We had students in clinical when they were bringing patients in and it's just ugly. But a concealed carry would not have made me feel any better, especially driving home past all these "dark-colored SUVs" that you think are going to try and blow your head off on the 10 freeway (which, statistically, is a way more frequent occurrence than what happened at the Inland Resource Center.

So you would ban a certain kind of clothing? I personally do not think those sill poofy UGG boots are necessary but I wouldn't ban a style of clothing. What is "tactical gear" anyways and how do you define it?

I find it HILARIOUS when people think .223/5.56 is a large "high-powered" round from the AR-15.

It is actually one of the smallest LEAST energetic of the common rounds you will find int he store. My go to gun for hunting large game is my Winchester 70 chambered in 300 Win Mag. The energy released from my regular ol' hunting rifle is literally about 3-4 times what my AR-15 chambered in .233 can deliver.

Last Sunday I finished grinding and packaging my mule deer I harvested with my AR-15. I only used my AR because this deer was being harvested purely for meat and I did not want to to tear him up too much.

You don't hunt quail with a center-fire rifle, birdshot from a shotgun does it nicely.

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#1 You wouldn't shoot at the attacker unless you had a good shot............common sense

#2 Know your target and what is beyond it at all times

#3 You could take a defensive position and let the attacker come to you, they would never even know where the shot came from before they hit the ground.

#4 A 40 cal or a 45 center mass shot with body armor on would still knock the attacker flat on their back, knock the wind out of them and probably break ribs.

A little common sense would go a long way in this scenario. I dont even have a CCW because it is against the law to carry a gun anywhere I would want to carry one anyways. If it was made legal to CC at work and by the nursing board then I would definately get my CCW.

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Guns are dangerous. Just talking about them has half of us up in arms.

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But then, how does that compare to a percentage of the population? The US has a much larger population than many other first world countries.

It included China (and Canada), amongst others. So ten countries that add up far more than the population of the US, that altogether have a significantly lower rate than the US.

Like I said, just a quick google. However you cannot debate that the US has way more shootings than any other first world country. And also the least gun control, I believe. Too lazy to confirm that though.

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It included China (and Canada), amongst others. So ten countries that add up far more than the population of the US, that altogether have a significantly lower rate than the US.

Like I said, just a quick google. However you cannot debate that the US has way more shootings than any other first world country. And also the least gun control, I believe. Too lazy to confirm that though.

So by that logic....................

Lets just make terrorism illegal, and drugs...................................

Police can go door to door to confiscate heroin! And we can throw all the narcan away!:no:

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Emtb2rn posted this in the other thread. I think it might be easier for some people to understand.

And no one is saying we should go door to door and remove all your guns. Most of these first world countries are allowed to own guns but under much STRICTER rules. At least I think thats what you were getting at, DCtooRN? I'm honestly not sure what you were trying to say.

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