I've been a lurker for awhile, and I know that this post has been brought up 1-2 times in the last 2 years that I've been an RN. So... you grouchy old farts that would rather I'd revive an old post can just stuff a sock in it. I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA.
Truth be told, One single caregiver with a concealed carry permit could have shut this couple down before they hit 14 fatalities.
I plan on getting my CC in January, but I know as an RN, should my handgun be discovered, I'll probably lose my license. It will stay in my car when I am at work. If someone wants to carry out mayhem at my workplace, we are ALL sitting ducks. It is not ok or fair. What are your thoughts?
No one is trying to "take guns away from law abiding citizens," but we do want background checks. Nearly 70% of the public believe that background checks are necessary. At gun shows, private sales and sales over the Internet, there are no background checks. These sales must either be disallowed, or background checks should be mandatory for all private, gun show and Internet sales. At gun shows, the gun could be shipped to the buyer after the mandatory background check and the same rules would apply to private and Internet sales.
I am nearly 80 and I am not "protected by any armed guards," other than the local police in my area.
At gun shows, sales there generally have to go through a dealer. Doing that keeps the show organizer relatively free from lawsuits. That doesn't mean that a sale can't happen in the parking lot or anywhere else, but that sale is NOT going to be a new firearm. All sales of those must go through a dealer. That's why less than 2% of criminals get their guns that way. So, background checks do occur. Also, internet sales always require a dealer to complete the sale. There are only 2 ways that I know of that a person can receive a firearm at their doorstep. One is through the CMP (which does a background check for every sale) and the other is if the person receiving the firearm has an appropriate Federal Firearms License, which also requires an extensive background check (more than any buyer goes through). Each individual state regulates the secondary market (private sales of used guns) unless the sales crosses a state line. That happens when the buyer and seller are not residents of the same state. There is a black market for guns that nobody regulates. Most criminals acquire their firearms that way and those are almost invariably stolen.
If one of those guns is used in a crime, the BATFE will trace the gun to its last known owner. That person generally gets interrogated pretty extensively for both alibi and about the sale. The prudent seller uses an FFL as an intermediary to the sale or gets a copy of the buyer's ID.
The "nearly 40%" number that has been bandied about here quite a bit is from a very flawed, small sample size study where the margin of error was so great that the actual percentage could have been lower than 30%.
The "nearly 40%" number that has been bandied about here quite a bit is from a very flawed, small sample size study where the margin of error was so great that the actual percentage could have been lower than 30%.
The almost 40% is from the same study where you get your 2%.
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But the point is that a huge loophole exists whereby almost 40% of people who cannot legally purchase a weapon can obtain one. Or two. Or however many are needed.
Yes and they can obtain fully automatic weapons too which are not available to the general public. So what is your point...outlaw all gun sales so only the criminals have guns?
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It doesn't matter. Freedom of religion is protected here, particularly as long as its adherents obey the law, which describes the majority of Muslims living in the US. How do you propose to get rid of Islam in the US?
Devout Muslims practice Sharia law
Sharia recognizes three categories of crime:
Hudud: crimes against God with fixed punishment.
Qisas: crimes against Muslims where equal retaliation is allowed.
Tazir: crimes against Muslims or non-Muslims where a Muslim judge uses his discretion in sentencing.
Hudud crimes are five: theft, highway robbery, zina (illicit sex), sexual slander (accusing someone of zina but failing to produce four witnesses), and drinking alcohol
Sharia requires that there be four adult male Muslim witnesses to a hudud crime or a confession repeated four times, before someone can be punished for a Hudud crime.
Murder, bodily injury and property damage - intentional or unintentional - is considered a civil dispute under sharia law. The victim, victim's heir(s) or guardian is given the option to either forgive the murderer, demand Qisas (equal retaliation) or accept a compensation (Diyya) in lieu of the murder, bodily injury or property damage. Under sharia law, the Diyya compensation received by the victim or victim's family is in cash.
The penalty for theft
Theft (stealing) is a hudud crime in sharia, with a fixed punishment. The punishment is cutting off the hand or feet of the thief.
The penalty for zina.
Sharia law states that if either an unmarried man or an unmarried woman has pre-marital sex, the punishment should be 100 lashes. There are some requirements that need to be met before this punishment can happen. For example, the punishment cannot happen unless the person confesses, or unless four eyewitnesses each saw, at the same time, the man and the woman in the action of illicit sex. Those who accuse someone of illicit sex but fail to produce four eyewitnesses are guilty of false accusation and their punishment is 80 lashes. Maliki school of sharia considers pregnancy in an unmarried woman as sufficient evidence that she committed the hudud crime of zina.The Hadiths consider homosexuality as zina.
The penalty for apostasy
The punishment for Apostasy is thought to be death by several schools of Muslim thought, though the Qur'an has not advised such a punishment and in fact details that there is absolutely no penal punishment for apostasy.
I was standing at one of the ICU nursing stations at Loma Linda when a staff member ran through telling everyone to prepare to receive mass casualties, there was an active shooter up the street, approx 20 casualties.
The initial reports that were received was that it was some kind of a healthcare related facility. Everyone immediately became worried considering Loma Linda is by far the largest and most high profile facility in the area.
Later on a everyone was notified of a bomb threat, which really freaked everyone out because we knew they had found explosives with he terrorists. People were locked down for hours.
When drove back to the hotel I found that the hotel was being barricaded. My hotel was on Waterman less than a block South of the attack. You know the news conferences you saw on TV and all the reporters? They were reporting from the lawn in front of the hotel. The SB police Sargent who was doing to hourly updates? She was in the lobby and conference room the police got (almost ran her over in the parking lot when she walked out between some cars while she was texting)
I left the hospital and pulled over when I saw the road blocks on Waterman and the 10 fwy. I was parked across from a church and watched about 15 police cars scream past into the church parking lot and an army of policy carrying super movie scary AR-15s run and secure the church. I was not sure if the suspects were shooting up the church so I decided it might be best to move along.
Tried to approach from the hotel from the North when as I was driving through a residential neighborhood I saw a bunch of kids running with their parents across the street. Look to my right and hundreds of kids are outside of the school herded on the lawn and parents are frantically grabbing their kids. Then I heard on the radio that a suspicious person fitting the description was seen hiding in the bushes by the school. Great.
I find that the road is blocked from the North so I go around and end up at a shopping center North of the freeway but just South of the hotel. I am eating at a Five Guys when I see police roll up into the shopping center and block it off. Then I hear that there is in active shooter in the shopping center. Great. Can't even enjoy my fries. It was later cleared but then an old Vietnam vet comes in asking to borrow my phone, his service is not working. I let him and he leaves a message for his wife. He tells me...with tears in his eyes...that his wife is stuck in a building they are clearing across the street by the hotel and he cannot get a hold of her and they won't let him in to pull her out. He sat there for 20 minutes holding back his tears until she came in. One of the most heart wrenching things I ever saw. You could feel his pain and anxiety.
I drive through some parking lots (and maybe over a median or two in the rental) and get to the hotel.
Sitting in the hotel watching the sharp shooter on the roof who is about 30 yards from me eat sunflower seeds. Then the world goes crazy as the helicopters and Homeland Security airplane go ripping past along with 20-30-maybe 40? police cars with 2 armored vehicles. Pop, pop, popopopopop, pop. About a mile away they get into the second gunfight. I can actually see the neighborhood from the top floor of the hotel I was in, couldn't see the suspects though due to the houses blocking my line of sight.
Just flew out today.
What I can tell you is that there was no one to protect anyone at the hospital or hotel until after the shooting began. The terrorists literally had to drive by the hotel to get to the office building and you can clearly see the hospital just South of the freeway.
I do carry a firearm when I am home in Arizona but generally do not carry conceal when I am traveling. I am reconsidering that.
Wow Asystole, I am so glad that you are Okay. I would have felt very NAKED and helpless without my piece by my side in that situation. As a CC individual, I carry everywhere. And, as a traveling nurse, you run into crazy situations and find yourself in less than desirable places all the time. Hope your trip home was better.
Qisas: crimes against Muslims where equal retaliation is allowed.
Tazir: crimes against Muslims or non-Muslims where a Muslim judge uses his discretion in sentencing.
Hudud crimes are five: theft, highway robbery, zina (illicit sex), sexual slander (accusing someone of zina but failing to produce four witnesses), and drinking alcohol
Sharia requires that there be four adult male Muslim witnesses to a hudud crime or a confession repeated four times, before someone can be punished for a Hudud crime.
Murder, bodily injury and property damage - intentional or unintentional - is considered a civil dispute under sharia law. The victim, victim's heir(s) or guardian is given the option to either forgive the murderer, demand Qisas (equal retaliation) or accept a compensation (Diyya) in lieu of the murder, bodily injury or property damage. Under sharia law, the Diyya compensation received by the victim or victim's family is in cash.
The penalty for theft
Theft (stealing) is a hudud crime in sharia, with a fixed punishment. The punishment is cutting off the hand or feet of the thief.
The penalty for zina.
Sharia law states that if either an unmarried man or an unmarried woman has pre-marital sex, the punishment should be 100 lashes. There are some requirements that need to be met before this punishment can happen. For example, the punishment cannot happen unless the person confesses, or unless four eyewitnesses each saw, at the same time, the man and the woman in the action of illicit sex. Those who accuse someone of illicit sex but fail to produce four eyewitnesses are guilty of false accusation and their punishment is 80 lashes. Maliki school of sharia considers pregnancy in an unmarried woman as sufficient evidence that she committed the hudud crime of zina.The Hadiths consider homosexuality as zina.
The penalty for apostasy
The punishment for Apostasy is thought to be death by several schools of Muslim thought, though the Qur'an has not advised such a punishment and in fact details that there is absolutely no penal punishment for apostasy.
The vast majority of "devout Muslims" don't actually live under sharia law, only a portion of Islamic countries use parts of sharia law as their legal code, typically defining rules for marriage and other civil matters but far from full sharia law.
Yes and they can obtain fully automatic weapons too which are not available to the general public. So what is your point...outlaw all gun sales so only the criminals have guns?
Universal background checks and outlawing all gun sales are two very different things. Currently, if you're not legally allowed to purchase a gun and therefore would fail a background check, your options for purchasing a gun aren't particularly limited, all you have to do is not buy from an FFL, which is pretty easy to do using various methods of buying from a private seller.
This whole tangent of the thread is totally off-topic and deeply offensive, but I'll bite.
They tried to in Uganda -- the evangelical Christians there, egged on by US Evangelicals Christian activists, nearly passed a law banning homosexuality in Uganda with the death penalty for homosexuals. There was such a huge international outcry about this that they changed the death penalty to life in prison (but did pass the law). You can get an extended prison sentence for knowing someone is gay and not turning them in to the government. Gangs of "Christians" are roaming the streets, beating and, in some cases, killing people that they know or suspect are gay. Evangelical Christian clergy in Uganda are encouraging them to do so. The same is happening in other majority Christian countries in Africa; PBS just reported recently on anti-gay discrimination and persecution in Nigeria, where, again, the clergy are denouncing them and encouraging gangs on the street to find and beat them, in some cases to death.
I want to gauge opinions based on our CURRENT situation after the shooting yesterday in San Bernadino, CA. 
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At gun shows, sales there generally have to go through a dealer. Doing that keeps the show organizer relatively free from lawsuits. That doesn't mean that a sale can't happen in the parking lot or anywhere else, but that sale is NOT going to be a new firearm. All sales of those must go through a dealer. That's why less than 2% of criminals get their guns that way. So, background checks do occur. Also, internet sales always require a dealer to complete the sale. There are only 2 ways that I know of that a person can receive a firearm at their doorstep. One is through the CMP (which does a background check for every sale) and the other is if the person receiving the firearm has an appropriate Federal Firearms License, which also requires an extensive background check (more than any buyer goes through). Each individual state regulates the secondary market (private sales of used guns) unless the sales crosses a state line. That happens when the buyer and seller are not residents of the same state. There is a black market for guns that nobody regulates. Most criminals acquire their firearms that way and those are almost invariably stolen.
If one of those guns is used in a crime, the BATFE will trace the gun to its last known owner. That person generally gets interrogated pretty extensively for both alibi and about the sale. The prudent seller uses an FFL as an intermediary to the sale or gets a copy of the buyer's ID.
The "nearly 40%" number that has been bandied about here quite a bit is from a very flawed, small sample size study where the margin of error was so great that the actual percentage could have been lower than 30%.