Another reason unions suck!

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Trying to get a vacation as a new RN under a union regime is challenging at best. It's all seniority based. So the senior RNs can basically come and go as they choose. But that means the rest of us cannot be off (even though we don't cover each other or know each other's job). Also the silly union made a rule that managers cannot approve vacations to far out. So if someone knows they want a certain week 2 years from now, they cannot secure it and start booking flights or whatever. It's irritating at best.

Toomuchbaloney posted about what unions have ensured for the American worker.

Ruger, your point that keeps coming through is your petulance about not getting a plumb vacation pick.

Is this all you have as to why you hate unions?

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Toomuchbaloney posted about what unions have ensured for the American worker.

Ruger, your point that keeps coming through is your petulance about not getting a plumb vacation pick.

Is this all you have as to why you hate unions?

Apparently you missed the whole conversation about how unions protect the lazy and incompetent employee. Unions have cut throat tactics when it comes to engaging with management. Unions limit the ability of each individual worker from negotiating for themselves. By imposing all the little nit picky rules unions inhibit autonomy. By falsely inflating peoples wages unions increase the price of goods and services for all of us.

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Nurses should not have to fund their own retirement through a 403b which some employers will not even match anymore.

A defined benefit retirement plan will pay roughly $1000/ month for every ten years of service.

This benefit has been all but eliminated except in union facilities.

I like funding my own retirement (403b) and my employer also provides some contributions as well (we are union). I have a say in where my funds go, and I can choose how agressive I want to invest my funds. If anyone things they can survive on just a pension for the future they are mistaken. You need multiple sources. Social security might not even be around for when I retire. Pensions are a thing of the past, they simply cannot sustain themselves. Look at the bankruptcy of GM, it was one of the causes. I'm not anti union but again I do have some problems that cause disdain. I look at it like a tradeoff. I do not agree in seniority vacations as I feel the person doing the same job as me, making the same money as me, and in most cases doing less work than me deserves exactly the same opportunity I have to take a vacation. We rotate holidays, why not rotate taking summer vacations? For what its worth, I usually dont have a hard time getting mine anyway as I dont really take summer vacations but I can see how others would find this to thier disadvantage.

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Unions have cut throat tactics when it comes to engaging with management. Unions limit the ability of each individual worker from negotiating for themselves.

And management has "cut throat tactics" when it comes to engaging with workers. Management wants individual workers "negotiating for themselves" because management knows that individual workers are weak and have no recourse if they are dissatisfied with whatever crumbs management feels like throwing them. Management is certainly organized to protect the organization's interests; why shouldn't the workers organize to protect their own interests? What's so awful about a level playing field?

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To those whining about their vacay picks (not just you, Ruger) you really need to get over it. It's like that across the board, union or not, as well it should be. You sound like a bunch of spoiled kids.

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My particular vacation situation is the worst I've ever seen at any job I've ever had. Honestly I'm taking time when nobody else is so its really not an issue. It just rubs me the wrong way.

Spoiled kids? Isn't that what unions are when they whine and throw a tantrum to get what they want?

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My particular vacation situation is the worst I've ever seen at any job I've ever had. Honestly I'm taking time when nobody else is so its really not an issue. It just rubs me the wrong way.

Spoiled kids? Isn't that what unions are when they whine and throw a tantrum to get what they want?

No, that's called negotiating for better working conditions.

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Yes! Because of unions historically fighting for fair working conditions.

That's what ant-union people either don't realize or choose ignore.

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No, that's called negotiating for better working conditions.

Splitting hairs there aren't you?

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Splitting hairs there aren't you?

No, I'm telling it like it is.

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That's what ant-union people either don't realize or choose ignore.

That was then. This is now. Unions, like the 8 track player, are an antiquated technology.

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Unions, like the 8 track player, are an antiquated technology.
That's your opinion, not a fact.
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