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i worked in this LTC with a charge RN who when i did a license look up for RN and LPN in our states dept of finance and professional regulation website her name was not there? is this possible? i am RN (15 plus hospital experience) new to LTC and have recently worked and left this LTC which is in the NATIONAL NURSING HOME WATCH LIST 2 star rating for the most injuries....:eek:

1. the administrator is NOT A licensed nursing home administrator....activity specialist

2. the house administrators who does admission intake are either dept heads from activity, dietary,human resource etc

3. nursing staff are told to leave exactly on time even if we dont go for our lunch/pee breaks told to punch out of clock and go back to work OR be accused of stealing DON"S CLOCK...

4. fired for reporting to dept head of alzheimers unit a possible case of eldery abuse in unit (not my assigned unit)...and i was only in the unit for 5 minutes and not even clocked in yet...the patient was tied up in bed sheet in waist and hands in dining chair in middle of hallway in between dining room and nurses station in front of 70 plus residents already awake, elevator x3, incoming and outgoing nursing staff yacking in nurses station and totally oblivious of what is going on. I worked in this LTC just few weeks...i asked for reason for being fired.... HR simply said..."you did not pass probation...you are barred from coming to facility...cant come to pick up check except with authorization letter from a representative....

all of my nurse friends said that i should have just"shut up" if i see any wrong doing since i did not work there...was only passing by. i have never been fired in my 16 year HOSP career till i work in LTC....can i make anonymous report for RN impersonator working in this LTC ? i know in our state...they dont take anonmyous report. i read in our website about mandatory reporting of elderly abuse and the reporter is immune from retaliation with prospective employers....i never seen any cold blooded administrators / DON in my life....

i am so sad, depressed....any help and advice greatly appreciated...

beckylpn1

Specializes in Oncology/Med-Surg. Has 10 years experience.

Unfortunately that's the way it is in alot of LTC facilities. I have seen several things go on in facilities and when you report them, you are the bad guy. Instances of staff on the clock and reeking of alcohol, staff asking other staff members to steal narcs for them, residents falling and nurses not reporting or falsely reporting the incident. That's why I had to leave LTC.

Moogie

Specializes in Gerontology, nursing education.

I am sorry that you're going through this and I'm even sorrier that this sort of thing seems to happen a lot in LTC.

Do also check your state BON website to check for the nurse's license. I don't know about your state but where I've lived, the information is on the nursing website, not necessarily on any other sites. If this individual is truly practicing nursing without a valid license, you have cause to take it to the board. You might be able to make an anonymous complaint but if not, the state is supposed to keep your information confidential.

Also, check the most recent state survey to see what deficiencies the facility had and if there's a pattern of deficiencies. In all honesty, I'm not sure I put a lot of stock in the National Nursing Home Watch List because there are facilities that I know had "G" deficiencies or worse but are not on the list because the most recent surveys were done after the list was updated. I would definitely use the Watch List as a resource but not the only resource. Your state should have access to recent and previous surveys on the Department of Health website. Also look at any complaints that have been filed against the facility, which also should be listed on the state DOH site. Check out the nature of those complaints and whether or not they were substantiated. Remember, some people complain over minor matters but most people don't file complaints, even when something major has happened.

Hang in there and check your private messages. I wish I could say you're the only person to whom this has happened but unfortunately it seems to happen to many good nurses.

achot chavi

Specializes in acute care and geriatric. Has 20 years experience.

There is good and bad, I am so sorry you had to go through this, you sound very upset and rightfully so,

I once worked at a facility where there was abuse, and when I reported it, they fired me with a false claim. I worked at another clinic where I overseed 2 LPN's who were lazy and sloppy, screamed and cursed when I tried to set normal rules in the place, etc. They had the habit of leaving in middle of work to go shopping without punching the clock ( they claimed they were single mothers and had no other time to do it- mind you not on their meal breaks- but leaving me during critical work hours) - when I complained to the administrator- he took their side,told me he never heard them scream or curse (he was right there) and told me to live with it, (I later found out they did some housework for him on the side). I quit on the spot.

My advice: look for a better job in a good facility- they dont deserve you, you cant fix what is wrong with them (remember the serenity prayer)

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN

Has 41 years experience.

Sounds like it is good that you are out of a bad situation. Depending where you live the LTC can terminate you any time with no reason , good news it that I would not put this on your resume.

Some people may have a different name on their license, but I would have a "friend"" call the Department of Public Health "and ask for an evaluation. This will not get your job back but it will protect the patients.

Things will pick up for you times are very tough for nurses.

Aviationurse

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no wonder our master schedule wont say such and such is an RN or LPN ....i did the search myself and found out from day one that the charge nurse is not on the list.......all the others were listed except one......

Aviationurse

Specializes in this and that.

thanks for all your response guys.....i appreciate your kindness and support ...

NRSKarenRN, BSN, RN

Specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion. Has 44 years experience.

One must be careful when checking BON website for eligibility...name could be under maiden or married name, hyphenated etc (perform search as part of my Manager duties).

Restraints with bedsheets --especially about the hands FAR from the ideal....however only being on the unit 5 min you don't know what had occured prior to arrival (possibly punching another resident, pulling out own hair. etc) so unable to judge if someone getting lapbelt/wheelchair pad from supply room etc.

Sounds like this is NOT the best facility to work in...sometimes best to cut loses and move to other position. Those facilites with reputation, well known in healthcare circles, so to state "left prior to completing probation for better fit" would get message across without badmouthing facility.

CapeCodMermaid, RN

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health. Has 30 years experience.

Call the DPH and make a complaint. I can't imagine ever using bed sheets as a restraint regardless of the resident's behavior but I work in Massachusetts where there are more regs for us than for the nuclear power plant. There is no regulation which says the admissions person has to be licensed so many facilities use other department heads to do this. You MUST have a licensed administrator if you are a skilled facility. Call the DPH. They are mandated to investigate any complaint.

Aviationurse

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my nurse friends dont want to see me because they are scared for their life and dont agree on reporting abuse to DPH and elderabuse hotline....hope my life wont be in imminent danger....i have family to feed....

thanks capecod mermaid...i thought it was ok for a recreation specialist to run a 300 bed nursing home with heavy duty skilled floor ie trach, g feeding, iv, picc line, insulin ,hospice,treatment/dressing , admission, discharge, med pass, no break, no supplies, punch out and continue to work policy, medicare charting, no puncher, bring your own office supplies, and also be a doorman, answer phone and be the operator....the list just goes on...and before i forget ask a question on restraint and be fired the next day policy....

thanks for listening....hope i will be able to find a job out there....i truly appreciate all your kind response...

achot chavi

Specializes in acute care and geriatric. Has 20 years experience.

my nurse friends dont want to see me because they are scared for their life and dont agree on reporting abuse to DPH and elderabuse hotline....hope my life wont be in imminent danger....i have family to feed....

DONT tell anyone that you plan on reporting the situation, that will just backfire, and if you feel afraid, just walk away and dont report it yourself, it doesn't pay to live your life looking over your shoulder.

Move on, the place was bad news, you weren't the only witness, just the one with morals and a conscience- such rare qualities today.

And get better friends who will be supportive. I have to say if I fired a nurse and she calls the state, it wouldn't bother me, I have nothing to hide!!I wouldn't stop being her friend just because she followed her conscience...

Good Luck

CapeCodMermaid, RN

Specializes in Gerontology, Med surg, Home Health. Has 30 years experience.

Apparently you misunderstood what I said. I said the ADMISSIONS person does not have to be licensed. Certainly any facility that accepts Medicare and or Medicaid needs to have a licensed nursing home administrator and a licensed (RN) DNS. PS calls to the DPH can be strictly confidential.

Nascar nurse, ASN, RN

Specializes in LTC & Hospice. Has 35 years experience.

I agree with CCM - you don't need to tell ANYONE that you made that call. If you tell your friends, chances are that they will tell their friends and so on and so on.

debRN0417

Specializes in LTC, ER, ICU, Psych, Med-surg...etc.... Has 31 years experience.

The Board of Nursing and the Department of Health that Licenses the Nursing Home will take anonomyous complaints. You don't need to tell anyone else you called....

Aviationurse

Specializes in this and that.

when we make anonymous complaints to DPH

1. do i need to make police report too just in case there will be a sniper hired outside my house by nursing home and the night LPN/CNA that got fired because of my report? i know that the administrator had to fire them too bec i reported the incident to one honest supervisor who reported to administrator/head of abuse and neglect....now if it was the DON/ADON that i reported to...they like you said are the" CARPET PEOPLE".....keep quiet and smile.....dont worry about it kind of thing....thats why i got fired ...they wanted it hush hush....

2. the Board of Nursing in our state dont take anonymous complaints...i knowmy previous charge nurse has no RN/LPN license but i dont work there anymore so it does not matter....she was involved in a patient injury that led to death of elderly...can LTC nurses work x 12 year plus with no license and be covered up by nursing home bec she is in charge of all medicare patients and LPNS?

its been one week since incident....i had only x1 interview so far with a job offer but no salary quote? this is a detox unit in a hospital....should i jump into job offer with no salary quote? i been doing agency in diff .hospital that had been sending me home because the agency forgot to put me in the schedule..

pls pray for me.....i still am sad, depressed, angry , broke for what happened..thanks for listening....had to start from scratch again...

Ginger's Mom, MSN, RN

Has 41 years experience.

You did the right thing. As far as the Board of Nursing goes you should be commended for your actions.

When you call the DPH, ask them the question about the police. Usually the front line is the DPH and your administrator should have filed the report. If he didn't he will loose his license. As far as the Board of Nursing, I would do nothing let the DPH report the DON to the Board.

If you get offered the job, ask about salary and benefits that is a standard question, and I am impressed you got an interview within one week.

when we make anonymous complaints to DPH

1. do i need to make police report too just in case there will be a sniper hired outside my house by nursing home and the night LPN/CNA that got fired because of my report? i know that the administrator had to fire them too bec i reported the incident to one honest supervisor who reported to administrator/head of abuse and neglect....now if it was the DON/ADON that i reported to...they like you said are the" CARPET PEOPLE".....keep quiet and smile.....dont worry about it kind of thing....thats why i got fired ...they wanted it hush hush....

2. the Board of Nursing in our state dont take anonymous complaints...i knowmy previous charge nurse has no RN/LPN license but i dont work there anymore so it does not matter....she was involved in a patient injury that led to death of elderly...can LTC nurses work x 12 year plus with no license and be covered up by nursing home bec she is in charge of all medicare patients and LPNS?

its been one week since incident....i had only x1 interview so far with a job offer but no salary quote? this is a detox unit in a hospital....should i jump into job offer with no salary quote? i been doing agency in diff .hospital that had been sending me home because the agency forgot to put me in the schedule..

pls pray for me.....i still am sad, depressed, angry , broke for what happened..thanks for listening....had to start from scratch again...

as an agency nurse, never leave an assignment with out a signed slip.....most if not all agencies have a policy of 2-4 hours if THEY screw up. and you dont know if they did or the hospital did....they are supposed to call within a certain timeframe to cancel, and if they didnt and saw you were new they may have pulled that line on you....good luck

Moogie

Specializes in Gerontology, nursing education.

the Board of Nursing in our state dont take anonymous complaints...i knowmy previous charge nurse has no RN/LPN license but i dont work there anymore so it does not matter....she was involved in a patient injury that led to death of elderly...can LTC nurses work x 12 year plus with no license and be covered up by nursing home bec she is in charge of all medicare patients and LPNS?

Dear God.

It does matter. This nurse and the facility are in violation of your state's nurse practice act and are dangerous to the public. Even if you're no longer employed there, you need to report this. The state BON and your area ombudsman should be able to help you in this matter and, in most states, they should be able to keep your identity confidential.

You are in my prayers.

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