How would you, as an LPN, feel about a CNA being YOUR supervisor? I've been a nurse for almost 20 years, and this really ticks me off. Is this even legal? I recently started a new job, at a new facility, and the staffing coordinator has the title of Nursing Coordinator. The chain of command....her then the D.O.N. I have no problem with an LPN being my supervisor, I was a nursing supervisor for a few years, but a CNA? PLEASE!!!!!! She and the D.O.N are good friends, but still she should not have the title as Nursing Coordinator AND be the direct "supervisor" of LPN's, or can she? I just don't agree with this, and it has me totally upset, ticked. That would be the samething as me supervising RN's, atleast I would think so. She is a CNA, never has been to nursing school, so how can she tell US what to do, or how to do it? Something is totally wrong with this picture. Thing is, she even acts like she's an LPN. Honestly, I thought she was until the other day when I found out different. Just wanted to know what someone else's oppinion is on this. Thanks.
The word? If you owned something it means you dominated it. Slang...
I am pretty sure learning to leading squads/platoons/etc in any branch of the US military better prepares someone for management and leadership than nursing school or a hospital.
Sure some people are natural talents. Some people learn it on their own. MAny do not, hence the usually 'management' complaint threads.
Of course the other reason I am still there is because we changed the culture of the building. All of our patients have some tie to the military and it is run like the military. I have no problem holding people accountable for things they are supposed to get done. A person that went from high school to college to nursing most likely won't have that same attitude. I didn't have it until the military put it there.
Why does that amaze you? There are other people besides nurses that can do the non clinical things.
*NOTE* I mean the nurses in my facility... I can't comment on the skills or training of nurses I do not know. Obviously...
Believe it or not, leadership skills can be and are learned in many areas other than the military. I speak as the wife of a Marine (semper fi) Drill Instructor who is now a firefighter/paramedic. I have the utmost respect for the leadership skills one can learn from the armed services....but Stanley, sir, I am afraid that you are over the top with your authority. Keep in mind that you are entering a field DOMINATED by women. Nursing has been founded by, lead by and worked by women for generatrions.
Perhaps one of the skills that they do not teach in the military is the ability to relate to your subordinates. I have found, as a leader in my workplace, that my subordinates (who are always treated with respect and dignity) are harder workers by virture of a mutual respect vs the "drop and give me 20" mentality. That is not to say that when discipline is necessary, I am unable to administer it. But my reputation as a fair, ethical and competent supervisor as well as nurse gives my subordinates the confidence that they will be treated fairly.
Just for the record, when you DO become a nurse, you will be seen as a leader and your attitude is what will make the difference. Why even mention that you are a CNA. You are a staffing coordinator. You may have CNA credentials, but your job is staffing. It seems as though you are trying to pull rank. It seems you just want to incite chaos by your "I am a CNA and I own the nurses" attitude.
IT IS NOT ALWAYS NECESSARY TO BLOW YOUR OWN HORN. Keep your gajillion years of military experience and your political views to yourself. If you are truly effective, your work speaks for itself. Who cares that you spent years in the military and can speak multiple languages. Nursing is about other people, not ourselves.
My whole point is that I know that you have offended me in several areas. I am sure I am not alone. God help the CNA who had to work WITH you when you are a nurse. Will you own (dominate) them too? and how obvious will it be that you feel that way????
This does not make sense to me, if a CNA is working as a staffing coordinator, why not change their title to staffing coordinator to avoid the confusion.
In my experience, that's exactly what they do; the title is staffing coordinator, or staffing development, etc. They still have their CNA licenses, but work more in an administrative type capacity. That way the facility saves money (I think they pay only a buck or two more than they pay them as CNAs) and also can pull them to the floor for staffing shortages. It can actually work out pretty well if the person promoted to SDC is hired from within, as he/she is already familiar with the residents, staff, and the way the facility works. Personally, I'd rather work the floor than deal with all the hassles of call-ins, covering shifts, and having to personally cover shortages, but to each his own...
Specializes in ICU, PICC Nurse, Nursing Supervisor.
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personally, i'd rather work the floor than deal with all the hassles of call-ins, covering shifts, and having to personally cover shortages, but to each his own...
Specializes in Community Health, Med-Surg, Home Health.
This does not make sense to me, if a CNA is working as a staffing coordinator, why not change their title to staffing coordinator to avoid the confusion.
In my experience, that's exactly what they do; the title is staffing coordinator, or staffing development, etc. They still have their CNA licenses, but work more in an administrative type capacity. That way the facility saves money (I think they pay only a buck or two more than they pay them as CNAs) and also can pull them to the floor for staffing shortages. It can actually work out pretty well if the person promoted to SDC is hired from within, as he/she is already familiar with the residents, staff, and the way the facility works. Personally, I'd rather work the floor than deal with all the hassles of call-ins, covering shifts, and having to personally cover shortages, but to each his own...
That, in my eye would solve the problem. Give that person another title and call it a day. I have no issues with either, because I wouldn't do the job in the first place, but I can see where others would be confused or even resentful...this is not traditional, based on what we learned in school, and I'm not sure if this has been happening for an extended period of time or not. Again, either way, I have no personal issue with it, because I perceive dealing with such issues aggrevating stress inducers that I want no part of.
I have no issues with either, because I wouldn't do the job in the first place... I have no personal issue with it, because I perceive dealing with such issues aggrevating stress inducers that I want no part of.
Yeah, that's another good point...they have a hard time finding LPNs/RNs crazy enough to take on that job! :chuckle
Specializes in Long Term Care, Wound Care, Sub Acute.
I totally agree with you on that! I had a friend who is an LVN He told me where he worked at a clinic and a medical assistant was his boss i just wanted to slap who ever ran that place.. I'm an LVN My self and I would be very upset if a CNA was my supervisor because alot of CNA's doesn't know what our job intitles. also where I work at our Staffing cooridnator was a CNA before that doesn't make her my boss or anything. Its always been like that where I work..
believe it or not, leadership skills can be and are learned in many areas other than the military. i speak as the wife of a marine (semper fi) drill instructor who is now a firefighter/paramedic. i have the utmost respect for the leadership skills one can learn from the armed services....
i agree. i never said it couldn't.
but stanley, sir, i am afraid that you are over the top with your authority. keep in mind that you are entering a field dominated by women. nursing has been founded by, lead by and worked by women for generatrions.
you couldn't be more incorrect. men started nursing. try google...
perhaps one of the skills that they do not teach in the military is the ability to relate to your subordinates. i have found, as a leader in my workplace, that my subordinates (who are always treated with respect and dignity) are harder workers by virture of a mutual respect vs the "drop and give me 20" mentality.
i do relate with my subordinates but at the same time expect compliance. i take criticism and advice quite well. when it comes to a decision however, if it is my decision to make, i make it and it must be followed.
but my reputation as a fair, ethical and competent supervisor as well as nurse gives my subordinates the confidence that they will be treated fairly.
the longer i am in my position the more the staff have liked me. it may be because i am more fair than many there. in fact i am compulsively fair...
it seems you just want to incite chaos by your "i am a cna and i own the nurses" attitude.
no chaos yet and it's been a year in the position and i am still there. people do need to know their place. even i know my place. it's a fact of life that people 'not' staying in their place causes a lack of morale. i make no claims as to deciding whose place is where but a busines does. a business has rules and those rules are there for a reason.
it is not always necessary to blow your own horn. keep your gajillion years of military experience and your political views to yourself. if you are truly effective, your work speaks for itself. who cares that you spent years in the military and can speak multiple languages. nursing is about other people, not ourselves.
i understand your point but please understand the context of a post before criticizing it or you lose credibility. my credibility comes from my skills. too many nurses like to pull they 'college education' card. college education means exactly squat. only skills mean anything. we have turned down many nurses from great schools because they were lacking...
my whole point is that i know that you have offended me in several areas. i am sure i am not alone. god help the cna who had to work with you when you are a nurse. will you own (dominate) them too? and how obvious will it be that you feel that way????
my point was not to offend you. how you are offend is, however, none of my business. people like to think this is a gray world but in fact it is black and white. people like to know what is expected of them and that they are held to a standard. nurses and aides in our facility are trusted because they earned that trust. they are respected for the same reasons. when one of our nurses tells us something we believe it because their integrity has been tested. if i am in charge, people know i am in charge, yes. am i a dictator? far from it.
when i am a nurse i will be darned good. how can i say this??? because i operate in black and white. you lead, follow or get out of the way. i excel at things because it is how i think. i have to excel and if i am not excelling i am not working hard enough. it is probably a compulsion but that really doesn't matter.
i don't see anything wrong with holding people to my standard. it weeds out the weak and unmotivated. there is no room for that in our organization.
that and the fact that it is an organization built for and catering to the military.
my last word on this. don't judge me because my expectations and methods don't match yours. i am achieving success. turnover is absolutely minimal. our last satisfaction survey ranked at 98% satisfied and no dissatisfaction with administration. our survey was perfect. i mean perfect, not fix this and we'll come back but nothing wrong whatsoever. we recently found out our pay is significantly lower than most other nursing homes here yet i still have over 40 apps and positions that go open are filled in a matter of hours. we aren't that big of a nursing home. we do not advertise at all for positions. it is all word of mouth. after a year, i still have my position because i deliver. having my job and having the staff like me means i am doing fine.
maybe you don't like our methods but it works. sorry...
I can't believe this. I have been a CNA and no I don't think when I was that I had any business to being a nursing supervisor. The knowledge just isn't there. I mean when I was a cna I thought that I had a pretty good grasp on what nurses did but then I went through the LPN program and boy was I wrong. I would question it. Now as a staffing coordinator I don't see a problem. In my facility we utilize CNAs as such and thing run pretty well.
Just asking, would you consider working elsewhere...? Personally i wouldnt want to deal with it. I worked too hard and studied way too long for the privilege of being nurse to want to tolerate that. Yes, its personal to me just for that reason. Get what you need to get at that facility but then you can always leave. That's what i would do anyway. What's next a nurse supervising the doctors and surgeons and them having to answer to us? Let's see those things happen. Just my cents worth.
How would you, as an LPN, feel about a CNA being YOUR supervisor? I've been a nurse for almost 20 years, and this really ticks me off. Is this even legal? I recently started a new job, at a new facility, and the staffing coordinator has the title of Nursing Coordinator. The chain of command....her then the D.O.N. I have no problem with an LPN being my supervisor, I was a nursing supervisor for a few years, but a CNA? PLEASE!!!!!! She and the D.O.N are good friends, but still she should not have the title as Nursing Coordinator AND be the direct "supervisor" of LPN's, or can she? I just don't agree with this, and it has me totally upset, ticked. That would be the samething as me supervising RN's, atleast I would think so. She is a CNA, never has been to nursing school, so how can she tell US what to do, or how to do it? Something is totally wrong with this picture. Thing is, she even acts like she's an LPN. Honestly, I thought she was until the other day when I found out different. Just wanted to know what someone else's oppinion is on this. Thanks.
The world's first nursing school founded in India about 250 B.C. Only men were considered "pure" enough to become nurses.
Ancient Rome
The term "nosocomial" meaning "hospital acquired" stems from the nosocomi, the men whom provided nursing care in ancient Rome.
Parabolani
In 300 A.D., a group of men, the Parabolani, started a hospital providing nursing care during the Black Plague epidemic.
Early Religious Orders
St. Benedict founded the Benedictine nursing order, while St. Alexis was in the fifth century. Military, religious and lay orders of men including the Knights Hospitalers, the Teutonic Knights, the Knights of St. Lazarus and the Hospital Brothers of St. Anthony provided nursing care during the Middle Ages.
The Alexians
The Alexian Brothers began as informal groups of laymen about 1300 A.D., providing nursing care for the poor.
St. John Of God And St. Camillius
St. John of God (1495-1550) devoted his life to serving the ill and mistreated and was canonized in 1690. St. Camillius (1510-1614) is credited with developing the first field ambulance. He was canonized in 1746. The symbol of his order, the red cross, remains the primary symbol of health care. In 1930, St. Camillius and St. John of God were named co-patron saints of nursing.
First American Nurse
Seventy years before the Pilgrims landed on Plymouth Rock, Friar Juan de Mena was shipwrecked off the south Texas coast. He is the first identified nurse in what was to become the U.S.
Crimean War
The Crimean War started in 1853. A biographer of Florence Nightingale, regarded as the first modern female nurse, noted that male "orderlies" provided nursing care prior to and after Nightingale's arrival at the Crimean front.
Jean Henry Dunant
In 1859, Dunant provided nursing care after the Battle of Solferino. He was helped found the International Red Cross and the Geneva Convention. He won the first Nobel Peace Prize in 1901.
U.S. Civil War
During the U.S. Civil War, both sides had military men serving as nurses. Men were the majority of the front line nurses while female nurses were typically restricted to general hospitals in the major cities.
Post Civil War
Both the Crimean War and the U. S. Civil War decimated the male population. Without men to help with the labor, many women were unable to continue farming and moved to cities and became "matrons" in military hospitals. The military continued to primarily use men as nurses.
The Alexian Brothers In The U.S.
In 1866, the Alexians built their first hospital in Chicago, Illinois and in 1869, opened a second hospital in St. Louis, Missouri. Today their work continues around the world.
St. John of God and St. Camillius
In 1898 the U.S. fought a brief war with Spain. The Daughters of the American Revolution recruited contract female physicians and nurses during the war.
Nursing Schools For Men
The Mills School for Nursing and St. Vincent's Hospital School for Men were founded in New York in 1888. The Pennsylvania Hospital opened a school for female nurses in 1914 and simultaneously opened a separate men's nursing school.
Army Nurse Corps
In 1901, the Army Nurse Corps was formed. Only women could serve as nurses and military nursing changed from being predominately male to exclusively female.
World War I And World War II
During World War I and World War II there were nursing shortages and women were given tuition, room, board, uniforms and a stipend to attend nursing school, but were not required to enter the service.
Two Men
In a time when few men were practicing nursing in the U.S., two men worked to promote men in nursing. Leroy N. Craig, superintendent of the Pennsylvania Hospital men's nursing school, fought for the rights of men to participate in the American Nurses Association. Nurse Luther Christman volunteered to serve on the front, if he could serve as a nurse. Christman was turned down for combat duty as a nurse by the U.S. Surgeon General.
Men Again Serve As Military Nurses
Not until 1955, after the Korean War, were men again permitted to serve as military nurses. During the intervening decades men who were registered nurses enlisted or drafted, but were not assigned as nurses.
Nursing Schools Admit Men
Men were forbidden to attend some state-supported nursing schools until 1982.
American Assembly For Men In Nursing
The American Assembly For Men in Nursing, organized in 1971, supports and promotes men in American nursing. Originally named the National Male Nurse Association, the organization became the American Assembly For Men in Nursing in 1980. Source: Bruce Wilson, Ph.D., RN, associate professor at the University of Texas-Pan American in Edinburg, Texas, and a former board member of the American Assembly For Men in Nursing.
Two thousand years ago, nursing school was for men only.
Only men were considered "pure" enough to enter what is thought to be the world's first nursing school, which was founded in India about 250 B.C., according to Bruce Wilson, Ph.D., RN, and associate professor at the University of Texas-Pan American in Edinburg, Texas.
For the next two millennia, nursing remained male-dominated. It took warfare in the 19th and 20th centuries to transform nursing from being considered a man's job to a women's profession.
One of the biggest shifts in the profession came in 1901 when the military nursing corps was reorganized.
Men were no longer allowed to serve as nurses, furthering the process of the feminization of nursing, said Wilson, who is also the manager of American Assembly For Men in Nursing's Web site.
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Believe it or not, leadership skills can be and are learned in many areas other than the military. I speak as the wife of a Marine (semper fi) Drill Instructor who is now a firefighter/paramedic. I have the utmost respect for the leadership skills one can learn from the armed services....but Stanley, sir, I am afraid that you are over the top with your authority. Keep in mind that you are entering a field DOMINATED by women. Nursing has been founded by, lead by and worked by women for generatrions.
Perhaps one of the skills that they do not teach in the military is the ability to relate to your subordinates. I have found, as a leader in my workplace, that my subordinates (who are always treated with respect and dignity) are harder workers by virture of a mutual respect vs the "drop and give me 20" mentality. That is not to say that when discipline is necessary, I am unable to administer it. But my reputation as a fair, ethical and competent supervisor as well as nurse gives my subordinates the confidence that they will be treated fairly.
Just for the record, when you DO become a nurse, you will be seen as a leader and your attitude is what will make the difference. Why even mention that you are a CNA. You are a staffing coordinator. You may have CNA credentials, but your job is staffing. It seems as though you are trying to pull rank. It seems you just want to incite chaos by your "I am a CNA and I own the nurses" attitude.
IT IS NOT ALWAYS NECESSARY TO BLOW YOUR OWN HORN. Keep your gajillion years of military experience and your political views to yourself. If you are truly effective, your work speaks for itself. Who cares that you spent years in the military and can speak multiple languages. Nursing is about other people, not ourselves.
My whole point is that I know that you have offended me in several areas. I am sure I am not alone. God help the CNA who had to work WITH you when you are a nurse. Will you own (dominate) them too? and how obvious will it be that you feel that way????
Stacey