Chamberlain vs. GateWay Community College...Decisions!

mrsboots87 · Dec 23, 2014

No. Outside of CEP, ASU and GCU only offer the RN-BSN after getting your RN license. NAU is the only one, that I'm aware of anyway, that will allow a traditional ADN student to start the bridge program during block 3.

jj224 · Dec 23, 2014

I'd go for the ADN if getting a job in a hospital is a possibility once you have finished and are licensed. Here in Chicago, its tough to do, but certainly possible - we have a new grad with an ADN going through orientation in my ICU. Many hospitals here offer some tuition reimbursement if you're furthering your education - in this case, RN to BSN. You can get that paid for by the hospital. Our hospital offers full tuition paid if you go to the school associated with our medical center. Other hospitals offer something like 5k per year and reimburse you after you pay upfront and pass the class. Many of my coworkers work full time, go to our school part-time for their ACNP / FNP part-time and get it all fully paid for. So if possible, go somewhere that will pay for you to complete RN to BSN while you're making an income.

Red Kryptonite · Dec 23, 2014

To add on to the last post, since we're talking about Arizona, Banner is the biggest system here and I personally know someone who got hired with her ADN. They will put you on a deadline to get your BSN, but the possibility is there. For Dignity Health and Scottsdale Healthcare, I do not know. And there are truckloads of LTC, LTAC, rehab, SNF, hospice, and other organizations that hire RNs.

nurseprnRN, BSN, RN · Dec 25, 2014

https://allnurses.com/general-nursing-student/you-need-know-900804.html

From University of San Francisco 2011 web article

Nursing Program Accreditation Resources

Accreditation

–it’s a term that you have likely heard in the past, but do you know what it really means? If not, you’re not alone. Many people are unsure about what it means when a program or school is accredited, the different kinds of accreditation that exist, and how this elusive term

affects your education and career

. Here are some important things that you should understand about accreditation as you prepare to start your nursing education.

What Is Accreditation?

When you enroll in a degree program, you want to be confident that everything you are taught meets professional standards.; You want to know that the curriculum will prepare you to enter the healthcare industry with the most current skills and knowledge in that field.. This is where accreditation comes in.

Accreditation is a process by which educational programs are evaluated by an outside body that determines if professional standards are being met.

These organizations help ensure that the education you receive conforms to certain requirements,, allowing you to proceed knowing that the time and dedication that you put into your studies are a wise investment.

Accreditation is given at two important levels: institution and program. It is important to understand both, as each is important to your education plan.

University Regional vs. National Accreditation

Colleges and universities can earn 1 of 2 types of accreditation: regional or national.

In the United States there are 6 regional accrediting agencies:

Middle State Association of Colleges and Schools (Commission on Higher Education)
New England Association of Schools and Colleges (Commission on Technical and Career Institutions and Commission on Institutions of Higher Education)
North Central Association of Colleges and Schools (The Higher Learning Commission)
Northwest Association of Schools and Colleges
Southern Association of Colleges and Schools (Commission on Colleges)
Western Association of Schools and Colleges (Accrediting Commission for Community and Junior Colleges and Accrediting Commission for Senior Colleges and Universities

National accrediting agencies focus not on areas of the country, but rather associations of schools with common themes.

These agencies tend to accredit post-secondary technical, career, and vocational programs.

There are 52 of national agencies in the United States. Some examples are:

Accrediting Council for Independent Colleges and Schools (ACICS)
Accrediting Commission of Career Schools and Colleges of Technology (ACCSCT)
Council on Occupational Education (COE)

What does this difference mean to you as a student?

The biggest issue is the ability to transfer credits between different schools.

eLearners.compoints out that schools that are

nationally accredited typically accept credit from both regionally and nationally accredited schools, but the opposite does not hold true; most regionally accredited schools do not accept transferred credits from nationally accredited schools.

So if you began your higher education coursework at a nationally accredited school and then want to transfer to a regionally accredited school, your coursework at the nationally accredited school many not transfer.

This issue isn’t just limited to transferring credits; it

can also have an effect on your ability to continue your education in advanced programs

, which in turn can impact your ability to progress in your career.

Many institutions of higher learning require you to have an undergraduate degree from a regionally accredited institution in order to apply to their graduate programs.

Nursing Education Program Accrediting Bodies

:

The Department of Education sanctions two national organizations that accredit nursing education programs. The first is the National League of Nursing Accrediting Commission (NLNAC) --

reorganized as the Accreditation Commission for Education in Nursing (ACEN)

. As detailed on the organization’s website, ACEN is responsible for the specialized accreditation of a wide variety of nursing education programs, including clinical doctorate, master’s, bachelor’s, associate, diploma, and practical programs.

The

Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education (

CCNE

) also accredits nursing schools, but only those that solely offer master’s and bachelor’s nursing degrees. Similar to the accreditation process of the ACNE, the CCNE offers a nongovernmental peer review process that operates in accordance with nationally recognized standards, according to the CCNE website. The organization’s mission statement outlines its intention to accomplish several purposes, including:

Holding nursing programs accountable to the community of interest,
Evaluating the success of a nursing program in achieving its own goals and meeting its expected outcomes,
Evaluating the extent to which a nursing program meets the standards for accreditation,
Implementing changes that can continue to improve nursing programs, and
Informing the public of the value that accreditation has, so that institutes that have such status are recognized for their merits.

Beyond the ACNE and the CNNE national accrediting bodies, there are also other accrediting bodies for specific, advanced practice nursing fields. For instance, the

Accreditation Commission for Midwifery Education

(ACME) is responsible for accrediting midwifery education programs.

Why an Accredited Program is Important

If you will be seeking financial aid to pursue your nursing education, choosing an accredited program is vital. In many cases, you cannot qualify for federal and state financial aid, tuition reimbursement programs offered by employers, nor scholarship and grants unless the program is accredited by the ACNE or the CCNE. Similar to the regional vs. national accreditation issue, you may face an admissions issue to a graduate nursing program if you earned your nursing degree in a non-accredited program.

Both the

ACNE

and the CNNE list accredited nursing programs on their websites.

Your Future

There are many resources that you can utilize when trying to learn more about schools and where their accreditation positions them in relation to your career path. All universities and colleges have their accreditation information listed on their websites, and there are also countless resources available online to learn more about accreditation and how it affects your education. In the end, the more information and knowledge you possess as you make the decision about where you want to pursue your nursing education, the more confidently you can make a decision that will in turn help you to shape your career.

Sources:

National League for Nursing Accrediting Commission, Inc., “About NLNAC,” About NLNAC (accessed November 3, 2011)

Accreditation Commission for Education in Nursing (ACE) accessed 1/22/14

American Association of Colleges of Nursing, “Commission on Collegiate Nursing Education,” Mission, Values, & History. American Association of Colleges of Nursing | Mission, Values, & History (accessed November 2, 2011).

American College of Nurse-Midwives, “Accreditation Commission for Midwifery Education (ACME).”Accreditation (accessed November 3, 2011).

eLearners.com, “Regional Accreditation vs. National Accreditation,” Issues to Consider. Regional Accreditation vs. National Accreditation (accessed November 3, 2011).

Last edit by NRSKarenRN on Jan 23 : Reason: Updated to include ACEN info/weblink

MrChicagoRN, RN · Dec 25, 2014

I have been lectured by my professors and classmates about applying to the right nursing school.
You have to be careful with what school you register. You need to look at the accreditation.
Many fly-by schools (schools that arent community college or university) have no accreditation or the accreditation gets suspended every few or so years because their new graduates nclex pass rate fluctuate too much every year because they basically accept anyone into their program and charge expensive tuition unlike the competitive community colleges and state unversities.
If i were you, Id apply to the community college because the tuition is cheaper or if youre going to apply to a fly-by nursing school like chamberlain, why not apply to a private legit university? the tuition is basically no different.
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While no fan of its high tuition, it is unfair to characterize Chamberlain as a fly by (night) school. It is part of the DeVry Education group, and are fully accredited by CCNE. Their accreditation is good through the end of 2024, and their pass rate in illinois has varied, a high of 97% & never below the state average pass rate.

I was talking to a woman considering Chamberlain. She is excited about going to school, but hadn't yet looked at other schools. I didn't discourage her from going there, but did tell her to look at the IDPR.GOV Illinois state website that lists all approved Illinois programs, as well as pass rates. Knowledge is power.

michelleh913, NP · Dec 26, 2014

What many people don't realize about Chamberlain is that Devry purchased a long standing St. Louis highly successful nursing program. During the purchase they retained most all of the faculty, but were required to change the name. Chamberlain is expensive, but it isn't a fly by night program. They have just been spreading the program that has been successful in Missouri to others.

mrsboots87 · Dec 27, 2014

To add to RedKriptonite, my med/surg 1 clinicals were at Scottsdale healthcare- Shea campus, and I met quite a few ADN nurses within their first year of nursing. One told me they like BSNs but look at the ADNs resume and hire on experience. The ones I met were also in RN-BSN programs for job security, but I forgot to ask if it was a requirement for employment or not.