CDC rec to counsel all males about benefits of circumcision

[sistrmoon]

Wasn't sure the best place to put this, but here's the article:

CDC Considers Counseling Males Of All Ages On Circumcision : Shots - Health News : NPR

What do you think of this? Have you read the African studies and do you think they translate to our population? Do you think it's a good idea from a public health standpoint?

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

Majority opinion in the United States used to favor slavery, stealing land from Native Americans, Japanese internment, and neutrality with regard to Hitler. Pardon me if I don't find it an impressive moral guideline.

Fair enough and then how do refute the scientific literature on the positive benefits of male circumcision then.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

I find this argument tactic quite odd. Do you not have pet topics or issues that you feel more passionately about than others? Why does it have to be either/or? Why does a person have to passionate about All The Things? How would one find time to be vocal about All The Things?

I think it's odd that you think it's odd.

And no, it hasn't been shown to have ONLY positive effects. Infection, hemorrhage and death can occur. Does it happen often? No, of course not. But I bet if it were your child who died as a result of a botched elective circ, the fact that it doesn't happen often would be of no comfort.

I never denied risks to the procedure which are incredibly small, but are there any long-term statistically significant negative health effects to male circumcision and can you support that with peer-reviewed scientific literature?

It is more likely that someone would die from the increased chance of penile cancer from not being circumcised then from circumcision itself.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

Any of the anti-circumcision people care to add any peer-reviewed scientific evidence to this discussion?

[Red Kryptonite]

I really haven't even tried to refute the research showing positive effects. I do think much of it is biased and tainted by cultural acceptance of the practice.

My position is that any claimed benefit can be had in less invasive, more ethical ways than amputating healthy, functional body parts. Circumcision isn't the best, or only, way to reap the benefits you're seeking. Cutting off body parts should never be the first tactic, and should never be imposed on a person who hasn't consented. If an adult makes the choice for himself, fine, it's his body.

[klone, MSN, RN]

Nope, I don't. I know it's out there, but I just am not as invested in this topic as you are.

However, the morning is young, and I'm home with a puking child (I have no proof, but I suspect his stomach virus is caused, in part, but not being circumcised). Boredom may in fact change my mind at some point today.

[Red Kryptonite]

And perhaps.....there is a dearth of such research because cultural pressure and funding discriminating discourages it from being done. Much like happens to researchers who seek to disprove human-caused climate change.

I'm sure there's some out there, and I'm sure it's a whole lot less than the supportive research.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

I really haven't even tried to refute the research showing positive effects. I do think much of it is biased and tainted by cultural acceptance of the practice.

My position is that any claimed benefit can be had in less invasive, more ethical ways than amputating healthy, functional body parts. Circumcision isn't the best, or only, way to reap the benefits you're seeking. Cutting off body parts should never be the first tactic, and should never be imposed on a person who hasn't consented. If an adult makes the choice for himself, fine, it's his body.

Then prove it with scientific evidence. Are you trying to tell me there isn't any data on how sex education effects safe sex practices? I just did a whole power point presentation on it.

There are thousands of articles to support education as a means to help mitigate risk taking behaviors. There are nursing and psychology theories on this subject, but no amount of education has been shown to eliminate risk taking behaviors.

That is why public health experts all over the world recognize that male circumcision is part of a mulit-modal solution to certain public problems.

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

Nope, I don't. I know it's out there, but I just am not as invested in this topic as you are.

However, the morning is young, and I'm home with a puking child (I have no proof, but I suspect his stomach virus is caused, in part, but not being circumcised). Boredom may in fact change my mind at some point today.

Procrastination from doing my statistics homework today is my main motivator to post today....

[RNsRWe, ASN, RN]

i am sorry that you can't understand. but continued obfuscation will get you no where.

Ok, ROFL, I think now you're either putting me on (but you don't strike me as the particularly witty type) or you are simply seeking to incite a negative reaction by saying nonsensical things.

Regardless of your reasons, I am clearly done with this silly line of explanation, and suggest you play with someone else -- we're done

[wtbcrna, MSN, DNP, CRNA]

And perhaps.....there is a dearth of such research because cultural pressure and funding discriminating discourages it from being done. Much like happens to researchers who seek to disprove human-caused climate change.

I'm sure there's some out there, and I'm sure it's a whole lot less than the supportive research.

Yet, there isn't a lack of research on climate change is there? Your only defense is that the research is biased. I hope you don't try to use that defense in graduate school.

[~PedsRN~, BSN, RN]

The point is you cannot speak for men. You cannot even give an opinion from a male's perspective. You believe this or that, but that is only your opinion.

IMO fathers are much more objective about circumcision then mothers. Mothers tend to think of how this is going effect my son's image, is it going to hurt etc. before considering any medical and health benefits. Fathers seem to think circumcision is practical (easier to clean and take care of) and has positive medical benefits. That is my opinion as male HCP.

How can a circumcised man be objective about circumcision? You've proved thru this entire thread that you obviously can not be. ?

[Red Kryptonite]

If suddenly, a wealth of reliable peer-reviewed research appeared that demonstrated health benefits to female genital mutilation, wtbcrna, would you then support the practice and say parents should have the choice to impose it on their daughters?