$750 CA RN License??? No way!

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The CA BON has a huged increase in the application of RN LICENSE by endorsement of international Students. Before it was around $150 now it’s $750!!!! Any thoughts?

11 hours ago, Jedrnurse said:

Is it discrimination (with all the ethnic/race-based negative connotations that has) or just job protection/protectionism?

Honestly, if we have new grads and experienced home-grown nurses here without jobs, why should we facilitate nurses coming into the field from other countries?

Because there is more involved in coming to this country than just a nursing license. We don't have a nursing shortage in this country...we have a shortage of new grads and nurses without jobs unwilling to move where jobs are and unwilling to do certain types of nursing. As long as there are unfilled openings people are not applying for, we have room for foreign nurses.

There are thousands upon thousands of jobs available. If you can't find a job in nursing, you are not looking.

PS: Years ago, I worked with a woman from India that came here practically as a new grad. Her husband was a physician and she finished nursing school in India so was able to come here fairly quickly because he was already here and they were married. I had never seen a graduate from any American school that could work like her. Their goal in nursing school, is for you to be a fully functioning RN and able to work ANY floor in the hospital straight out of school. In her school they did "clinicals" every day, all day. She was able to do all of her check-offs in record time and after she learned where supplies were, she was very proficient in technical skills. Our schools are way behind.

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10 hours ago, HomeBound said:

And yes. I agree Jed, it's protectionism. Each state is now implementing more and more stringent requirements for nurses that are trained and licensed outside of their state. They want to train and keep the nurses that they have. California has an educational requirement as well---denying US trained nurses based on a microbiology w/lab and other minor courses a license there.

Is this "discrimination" Jory?

How about the fact that other countries also have very, very, very stringent requirements for foreign (read: US included) nurses--and will only permit work VISAs with sponsorship, yearlong residency of the country without a job, retaking their equivalent of the NCLEX?

I have no idea of what you are talking about when you say US trained nurses are denied based on a "microbiology w/lab"....are you talking about failing a drug test? That makes zero sense.

We are not here to discuss other countries we are here to discuss foreign nurses coming here. Yes, it is discrimination. No, it is not protectionism because there is no nursing shortage in this country.

Please show me which state is getting "more stringent" about requirements for nurses licensed outside of their state? The nursing compact was just expanded.

I am very curious as to which state will not accept licensure by endorsement. Let's not make it up as we go along.

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4 minutes ago, Jory said:

I have no idea of what you are talking about when you say US trained nurses are denied based on a "microbiology w/lab"....are you talking about failing a drug test? That makes zero sense.

We are not here to discuss other countries we are here to discuss foreign nurses coming here. Yes, it is discrimination. No, it is not protectionism because there is no nursing shortage in this country.

Please show me which state is getting "more stringent" about requirements for nurses licensed outside of their state? The nursing compact was just expanded.

I am very curious as to which state will not accept licensure by endorsement. Let's not make it up as we go along.

All other “stuff” aside, a license in one state doesn’t guarantee that you’ll be accepted to practice in another. California is well known for having more strict requirements. Foreign educated nurses unable to gain licensure in California can often go to neighboring states to work.

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26 minutes ago, Sour Lemon said:

All other “stuff” aside, a license in one state doesn’t guarantee that you’ll be accepted to practice in another. California is well known for having more strict requirements. Foreign educated nurses unable to gain licensure in California can often go to neighboring states to work.

Name one requirement that California has in terms of educational preparation as an RN where I cannot go to a nursing school in any other state, pass the NCLEX and not get licensed in California.

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1 minute ago, Jory said:

Name one requirement that California has in terms of educational preparation as an RN where I cannot go to a nursing school in any other state, pass the NCLEX and not get licensed in California.

Are we talking about foreign nurses or domestic??? I’ve heard things “here and there” about domestic, but don’t know much in the way of specifics.

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2 minutes ago, Sour Lemon said:

Are we talking about foreign nurses or domestic??? I’ve heard things “here and there” about domestic, but don’t know much in the way of specifics.

Domestic. They are going to take foreign grads on a case-by-case basis. They do the same with medical schools.

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3 minutes ago, Jory said:

Domestic. They are going to take foreign grads on a case-by-case basis. They do the same with medical schools.

I was specifically referring to foreign graduates in my post ...foreign graduates who are able to get licensed in some states, but not others.

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4 minutes ago, Sour Lemon said:

Are we talking about foreign nurses or domestic??? I’ve heard things “here and there” about domestic, but don’t know much in the way of specifics.

Something to consider.....there is a difference between "more stringent" and unnecessarily encumbering the process.

California unnecessarily encumbers the process and why a lot of nurses won't even bother moving there for a job. I found it interesting they have temporary licensure...my state won't entertain that. Either you are licensed or you are not...there isn't an in-between. Licensure by endorsement also, from my understanding, takes forever because they could care less how long you have to wait. I wouldn't exactly call that efficient management.

I worked with an NNP from California that could not work in my state as an NNP because she did not have a graduate degree...one was not required when she got her certification.

I just pulled up the application by endorsement. The whole document is 19 pages long. For a nurse that is already licensed, that's ridiculous.

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Just now, Jory said:

Something to consider.....there is a difference between "more stringent" and unnecessarily encumbering the process.

California unnecessarily encumbers the process and why a lot of nurses won't even bother moving there for a job. I found it interesting they have temporary licensure...my state won't entertain that. Either you are licensed or you are not...there isn't an in-between. Licensure by endorsement also, from my understanding, takes forever because they could care less how long you have to wait. I wouldn't exactly call that efficient management.

I worked with an NNP from California that could not work in my state as an NNP because she did not have a graduate degree...one was not required when she got her certification.

I just pulled up the application by endorsement. The whole document is 19 pages long. For a nurse that is already licensed, that's ridiculous.

I agree that there’s a lot of room for improvement in the process. I endorsed to California from another state and it was not quick, easy, or fun.

I don’t think nurses are going to stop coming here, though. I’m at work right now. I am the only domestic born nurse in my unit and there’s only one in the unit neighboring mine, as well.

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43 minutes ago, Sour Lemon said:

I agree that there’s a lot of room for improvement in the process. I endorsed to California from another state and it was not quick, easy, or fun.

I don’t think nurses are going to stop coming here, though. I’m at work right now. I am the only domestic born nurse in my unit and there’s only one in the unit neighboring mine, as well.

Wow...we have a different issue here. I am in my late 40's, born in the USA and I think I was about 25 years old before I ever saw a physician that was American. All of my physicians growing up were from somewhere else.

So...I didn't think anything of it because that's how it's always been where I live. The dynamic has changed quite a bit.

I travel to California quite a bit to visit family, but not super-familiar with the healthcare system there. I fully respect the state wanting to make sure their nurses are background checked, drug tested, etc. But most states do this now.

The one thing that I 100% disagree with that California does is require for expunged criminal convictions to be disclosed and have the legal ability to pull those up. It would not impact me personally, but this is how I look at it....if a judge has decided that you should be legally forgiven...and there are always strict guidelines that has to be followed...I don't think the state should be able to use that against you later.

I believe that people should be permitted to put a period and move on with their lives. I also think that even felons, after X number of years for non-violent crimes, should have the restrictions that comes with it dropped.

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Specializes in Urgent Care, Oncology.

I think what folks are referring to in regards to the Micro with lab issue is several things:

- Was the class taken online?

- Were the classes separate?

- Was it counted as one grade or two grades?

This is just anecdotal evidence I've collected from friends moving to CA over the years and endorsing, but some have had issues and had to produce syllabi or have just been denied.

I don't think CA likes when the Micro with lab class is online and prefers that the classes are separate with two grades. I'm 100% certain someone will prove me wrong, this is just a guess from what I've heard from friends.

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12 hours ago, Sour Lemon said:

There will be no shortage of applicants. Almost all of the nurses I work with in California are foreign-born. I hope they use the fee money to hire more BON staff. Right now, there seems to be one 99 year old woman named Mildred working there ...and she seems to take frequent naps and forget where she's at and what she's supposed to be doing.

Whenever I need something from the BON I just call the department of consumer affairs (Their boss) and get what I need through the back door.

Hppy

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