But all the Nurse is doing is sitting down. Why cant the help?

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Im an LTC Floor Nurse/Charge Nurse. Im an LPN and i have 41 patients on a brutally busy 3pm-11pm shift in a busy rural nursing home. But i wasnt always....

For nearly four years, from the ripe age of 16 and a half to the age of 20, i was a Male CNA in the LTC Enviroment. I remember all the demands and physically exhausting shifts of turning, changing , getting endless vitals on heavy patients. Feeding patients. Working short. Low pay. Broken back. Little respect. CNAs i get you. Ive been there. I understand. But what do i miss? 2pm-10pm met 2pm-10pm. In between rounds i was able to sit down, eat, socialize with co workers and basically have little emotiomal stress. There was no staying 2-3 hours over.

Flashforward! Im a 20 year old male Nurse who is still considered a kid by most residents. Recently at one of the CNA staff meetings one of the Aides made the comment. Of why cant the Nurse help ? All they do is pass meds for two hours and sit on there lazy butt for 6? That burned me up. CNAs in LTC, you must understand! Being a Nurse means!

1. We are responsible for these residents well being and life, and have a professional license bound by the board of nursing to protect. When residents fall, or get injured because of your carelessness, we have to stay 30 minutes over to complete a thorough incident report to cover our own behind. I know its not always your fault but when your sitting on the hall reading fifty shades of gray, and the fall risk bed is 10 feet high in the air, the bed alarm is turned off, well heck ?

2. Upon clocking in for our shift, us Nurses already have about 8 hours and 15 minutes of work cut out for us. That is without anything extra that may come up, like an incident, new physician orders, or god forbid a 2 hour complex full 3-11 LTC Admit.

We have to complete about 2 hpurs worth of time consuming Medication Admin Record on computer. Roughly about 10-12 Narrative Nurses Notes that determines whether or not the facility will get paid for the services they provide. On 3-11 a Treatment record. We have to chart on active incident reports. Notify family members of changes. Reorder medications. Handle facility conflicts. The list goes on and on. Its a mentally draining and exhausting overwhelmong kind of fatigue that no CNA will ever understand unless there sitting behind that nurses station as a Licensed Nurse having to make mentally draining independent decisions. And yes we are sitting down. But this does not mean that we are not slammed and drowning trying to complete very important documentation.

3. Management. We are all being scolded about overtime. A Nurse needs every free moment he or she can to even take a stab at finishing in 8 hours. Very rarely do CNAs work for eight straight hours without breakinh and clock out more than 15 minutes after shift change. So when a Nurse teels you to hold on there very busy, they more than likely are. And you must understand that while flying out the building after 8 hours the nurse may be staying anothet hour or two or heck even three to finish up crucial documentation, and them get accused of just riding the clock by management.

Message to CNAs from a used to be turned nurse. When a Nurse delegates to you , and you feel rudely interupted from reading your book, or socializing with co workers, dont roll your eyes, stump your feet, mouth off , becuse you think the nurse is just being lazy. I can tell you as an ex CNA now Nurse, you truly have no way to understand what the nurse is going through and workload and responsibilty placed on Floor Nurses in LTC. So dont judge. Just do, you will still have plenty time to socialize and clock out on time.

But we truly thank you CNAs for what you do. And the help you provide us. Without you guys we would be responsible for the total care of 40 patients. I dont even wanna see that dark day.

As a former aide, you are exactly the type of nurse that I hated working with. Your responsibility is to your patients first. If you see that a patient is done on the bedpan or commode and you aren't busy, I would almost consider it negligent for you to delay the situation by finding an aide just so you can sit down and go on pinterest.

I don't use pinterest. Candycrush, facebook, or backpages. Technically I would be busy doing those things, so I CNA would need to step in. I am also not the first point of contact as the charge nurse.

I don't use pinterest. Candycrush, facebook, or backpages. Technically I would be busy doing those things, so I CNA would need to step in. I am also not the first point of contact as the charge nurse.

They put you in charge NOADLS? 😛

I've seen it go both ways, nurses actually socializing in a group at the nurses station while I ran around like a chicken with my head cut off trying to answer every call light, toilet/clean up/turn all 40+ acute care patients.....and then being the only nurse for over 100+ residents (and acting as supervisor) and trying to call the doctor, pass the meds, answer the phone, get pharmacy to deliver the stat med that was ordered and requested 2 DAYS ago (filling out the incident report for the med that wasn't given 2 days ago), triaging and trying to get the most likely having a CVA patient to go to the ER only to have them decline transport when EMS arrives and then agree after family intervenes and have to call back the same EMS team...and then the med tech and aide keep radioing me and asking me to answer the call bell in the midst of all the chaos...and I find them talking calmly together at the end of the hall at the med cart...

Teamwork is essential...though sometimes we don't have team players. This is very sad because it's the patients/residents that get the poor care in the end. I try to help my aides the most that I can...that being said when I am drowning and it is obvious that I'm overwhelmed please don't ask me to do something that you have the time to do. I think one of the major drawbacks is that some caregivers/CNAs do not have an accurate understanding of what the nurse is responsible for when they are at work. Just because I am sitting at the desk does not mean that I am not busy and even possibly dealing with a crisis (and chances are I'm not sitting at the desk, I'm running in circles around it grabbing charts, orders, and using the telephone in that little room where my desk is located). This is when I think management needs to educate when there are complaints that the nurse will not help them (or better yet, staff the place adequately so that there won't be complaints). Are there nurses that refuse to get their hands dirty? Yes, I've worked with some and they should not be nurses. They are the one that the aide is probably complaining about in general but then forgets while they are complaining to management that the nurse never helps them that they need to specify which one. I worked for a facility where we had a new manager that called everyone in and looked straight at me and said, "Everyone is responsible for call lights." Really, what have I been running around in circles doing on top of my other duties. One of the aides spoke up and said, "That nurse actually answers the call lights. It's the other one that won't"...It didn't help that we had the same first name and the new manager was there for all of a few days.

Specializes in Behavioral Health/Substance Abuse.

Teamwork is essential...though sometimes we don't have team players. This is very sad because it's the patients/residents that get the poor care in the end. I try to help my aides the most that I can...that being said when I am drowning and it is obvious that I'm overwhelmed please don't ask me to do something that you have the time to do. .

I totally agree. I had to change a (rather combative) resident's catheter one night. I knew there was little chance he would let me do it without needing someone to help hold his legs and arms. I asked one of the aides (this was after I had already brought the numerous issues up to the nurse manager, INCLUDING the playing of the Xbox in resident rooms, and she just told me that I needed to ask the CNAs for help on their schedule....so I did) for help with this gentleman's catheter change. Her reply? "That's not my job." I explained to her (quite patiently, might I add) that I wasn't asking for her to do it herself, but that I needed help with the combative patient, and asked her to let me know when she had a minute to help me. I waited all night. Finally, when I couldn't wait any longer I asked for help again. The CNA completely disappeared right after this. I saw her down the hall, past this particular man's room, so I headed down the hall. She had skipped him in doing her rounds, and left him absolutely covered in feces. He'd literally painted himself and the walls with it. Now here I was, rapidly falling behind as it was time for the morning med pass, the CNA not only refusing to help me, but neglecting a resident because she knew I would have to clean him up in order to do what I needed to do. Poor man.

Horrible experience. I swear, if it weren't for the fact of watching Scrubs every morning when I got home from work, I would have chucked the idea of nursing out the window because of that job.

Never again.

Specializes in Mental Health, Gerontology, Palliative.

This weekend as myself and the med comp HCA were doing the insulin round, we had an unwell resident who we put back to bed. Imagine my dismay when found out the residents bed was soaking wet as was the resident. So much so they had dripped all over their seat cushion.

I had a word with both the CNAs doing the sit ups for breakfast. The response from one was 'we dont have time to strip wet beds". No one mentioned stripping beds however leaving a sopping wet resident sopping wet is not ok, and it floors me that anyone could think like that.

There is a very set way the CNAs do things in my facility, whether its best practice or not. And god help the nurse that tries to change how things are done

This weekend as myself and the med comp HCA were doing the insulin round, we had an unwell resident who we put back to bed. Imagine my dismay when found out the residents bed was soaking wet as was the resident. So much so they had dripped all over their seat cushion.

I had a word with both the CNAs doing the sit ups for breakfast. The response from one was 'we dont have time to strip wet beds". No one mentioned stripping beds however leaving a sopping wet resident sopping wet is not ok, and it floors me that anyone could think like that.

There is a very set way the CNAs do things in my facility, whether its best practice or not. And god help the nurse that tries to change how things are done

While the CNAs at your facility are obviously out of line, fault flows up to you. Do you do hourly rounding and check for incontinence? If so, that patient should not have been sitting in urine for longer than one hour.

Specializes in Emergency.
They put you in charge NOADLS? 😛

Of course. Noadls has management written all over him. 😃

Not quite management, although I end up with the final say on most things.

I actually turned down the ADON position because there is a substantial workload increase and only a small increase in pay. Being in charge of the fun shifts is better.

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