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BSN the only "professional"??

Hi everyone!! I have a question. I have a AS in nursing (for the last 2 months, yeah!) and I took my son to an urgent care center for a sinus infection yesterday. I was talking with the intake nurse and she came across the point on my sons intake form that I am a RN. We spoke for a while, and she told my son that I am not a "professional" nurse, because a "professional" nurse has a BSN. She, of course, has a BSN. She said the ANA supports that the lowest level of education to be considered a professional is a BS in nursing. I brought up the fact that we all pass the same NCLEX, but I didn't say to much because I wasn't sure if ANA really says this. Is this true??

Oh, by the way, I did search the ANA website for a position statement or something, and couldn't find any reference to this.

There are MANY, many, threads on this very subject. I encourage you do a search and read for yourself.

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cardiacRN2006 specializes in Cardiac.

Yes, she sounds very professional while she insults her patient's family right in front of him...

There are MANY, many, threads on this very subject. I encourage you do a search and read for yourself.

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I have read (and read and read, lol) lots of post on this subject here, but my main question was does the ANA really have a position statement or something similar stating that BSN is the only professional degree?

Multicollinearity specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.

What kind of loser would say that to someone's son??

Agree. Wow. Just...wow! This BSN woman is a real nut.

I might consider writing a letter to the urgent care clinic and letting them know that this nurse was insulting.

TheCommuter specializes in Case mgmt., rehab, (CRRN), LTC & psych.

My state's Board of Nursing (Texas) considers the RN a 'professional nurse' and the LVN a 'basic nurse.' The Texas BONE does not differentiate between RN-ADNs and RN-BSNs when referring to the RN as the 'professional nurse.'

I think this particular intake nurse was attempting to boost her own ego at the expense of the feelings of others.

However, society does tend to equate a baccalaureate degree with the mark of a professional.

llg specializes in Nursing Professional Development.

In 1965, the ANA issued a policy statement advocating for the establishment of 2 levels of Registered Nursing -- the "technical" level and the "professional" level. That is where the whole discussion comes from. They weren't trying to eliminate the Associate Degree programs, they were trying to simplify and clarify the different entry levels. They were also trying to move hospital-based diploma programs into colleges by encouraging them to affiliate either with an AD program or a BS program.

Since then, a lot has changed -- and you will find a wide variety of views on the subject.

I was talking with the intake nurse and she came across the point on my sons intake form that I am a RN. We spoke for a while, and she told my son that I am not a "professional" nurse, because a "professional" nurse has a BSN.

At least in part, professional is as professional does. Treating a patient or their family member with disrespect doesn't qualify.

This nurse is entitled to her opinion, but it is inexcusable that she would, a) bring it up at all in the course of a medical visit, and, b) that she would involve your son in such a discussion. For someone who appears to value being professional, she acted in a very unprofessional manner. Please, let the administration at the urgent care center know that this happened. She needs someone to 'splain to her the meaning of professional behavior and the ettiquette of respectful patient care.

Multicollinearity specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.

Thing is, regardless of the terminology used in some academic circles, it was just insulting for this BSN nut to be pushing this to a patient's parent.

Tweety specializes in Med-Surg, Trauma, Ortho, Neuro, Cardiac.

Very unprofessional of this professional nurse to say that.

Some acedemia do indeed state that the definition of a "profession" does indeed mean BSN, among other things.

Many people take that to mean that ADNs are unprofessional. But that's that what they are saying, they only are describe the meaning of a profession, not the adjective of what it means to be a "professional" acting person.

This nurse was correct about one thing. It is the ANA's position that entry level into nursing be the BSN: http://www.nursingworld.org/pressrel/2000/pr0225b.htm

Just checked my license, and yes it does in fact say "Registered Professional Nurse". Got that after successfully passing the NCLEX-RN.

Suppose I should ask the BON if they issue ones that say "Professional Registered Professional Nurse" to the BSN grads?.... ;)

The ANA is the certification agency for BSN programs. They have nothing to do with ADN programs. So they are just tooting their own horn to promote their own agency. Every company likes to say they are the best. But the fact is, any RN can be just as professional, whether they are have an ADN or a BSN. Both ADN and BSN's are held to the same standard of care, held to the same standards, hold the same bedside clinical jobs, give equal treatment to patients, and pass the same state board tests. So yes, both the ADN and BSN trained nurses are equally professional. PERIOD! The only difference is that if a nurse wants to go into management, research, or get a masters degree, a BSN is normally the way to go.

Myxel67 specializes in Diabetes ED, (CDE), CCU, Pulmonary/HIV.

Very unprofessional of this professional nurse to say that.

Some academia do indeed state that the definition of a "profession" does indeed mean BSN, among other things.

Many people take that to mean that ADNs are unprofessional. But that's that what they are saying, they only are describe the meaning of a profession, not the adjective of what it means to be a "professional" acting person.

This nurse was correct about one thing. It is the ANA's position that entry level into nursing be the BSN: http://www.nursingworld.org/pressrel/2000/pr0225b.htm

Tweety,

The press release at the above link was published in 2000. Note that the exam they say will be coming next year is still missing in 2007. Looks like they want to make the exam either more difficult or more comprehensive. Can you imagine the surge in postings from BSN's saying "Oh no, I think I failed after 586 questions! ........Just a thought.

It may be the ANA's opinion that the professionsal nurse should have BSN. However it is not a reality.

Part of Press Release

Washington, D.C. - The American Nurses Association (ANA) Board of Directors reaffirmed its longstanding position that baccalaureate education should be the standard for entry into professional nursing practice. The reaffirmation follows on the heels of a recent decision by the American Nurses Credentialing Center (ANCC), a subsidiary of the ANA, to offer a new certification exam for nurses who hold a bachelor's of science in nursing (BSN), and to offer the present exams to nurses who hold an associate degree or diploma.

This new approach to certification provides an opportunity to distinguish between the nurse with a BSN who will earn a "board certified" credential and the nurse who holds an associate's degree or diploma, who will earn the "certified" designation. The new exams for BSNs, slated to be offered later this year, will be based on the results of the role delineation study currently underway, and will continue to validate the knowledge, skills and abilities of the BSN, associate degree and diploma graduate.

Another thought: How would the new exams for BSNs "continue to validate the knowledge, skills and abilities of the BSN, associate degree and diploma graduate."? Does iit mean they might let us ASNs and diploma nurses take it too?

OMG...I am all about having a BSN, but I cannot even believe that a nurse at Urgent Care had the nerve to say such a thing to your son, not to mention it is grossly inaccurate.

I am so sorry that happened...I think her BSN went in and tickled her brain and it wasn't working that day :)

WindyhillBSN specializes in Telemetry/Cardiac Floor.

I think I'd report her too. She shouldn't get away with that.

NRSKarenRN specializes in Vents, Telemetry, Home Care, Home infusion.

at least in part, professional is as professional does. treating a patient or their family member with disrespect doesn't qualify.

this nurse is entitled to her opinion, but it is inexcusable that she would, a) bring it up at all in the course of a medical visit, and, b) that she would involve your son in such a discussion. for someone who appears to value being professional, she acted in a very unprofessional manner. please, let the administration at the urgent care center know that this happened. she needs someone to 'splain to her the meaning of professional behavior and the ettiquette of respectful patient care.

:yeahthat:

concur 100% with rn/writer....the pen is mightier than the sword ;)

online journal of issues in nursing 2002 has great series of articles on topic: entry into practice: is it relevant today?

HeartsOpenWide specializes in Ante-Intra-Postpartum, Post Gyne.

Actually this nurse was technically correct...not to hurt and feelings or anything.

"In 1965, the ANA adopted a resolution proposing that minimum preparation for beginning professional practice should be a baccalaureate degree in nursing and that minimum preparation for technical practice should be an associate degree in nursing. The ANA's 1965 resolution also prompted the 1985 ANA statement adopting the titles of associate nurse (a nurse prepared in an associate degree program) and a professional nurse (a nurse possessing he baccalaureate degree in nursing)" (Craven & Hirnle, 2007, 45).

"Initially developed in response to a nursing shortage, ADN education thrives today. Students pursing this degree attend a junior college for 2 years receiving college credit for all courses and clinical experience in nursing. The goal of this program is to prepare technical nurses who are capable of functioning as quality practitioners under the supervision of professional nurses" (Craven & Hirnle, 2007, 46).

"The baccalaureate degree in nursing offers students full college or university education with a background in liberal arts. The programs are rigorous and provide students with credits for nursing courses and clinical experience in all areas of nursing practice. Baccalaureate degree programs in nursing emphasize community health, research, leadership, and management"(Craven & Hirnle, 2007, 46).

Info taken from:

Craven, R. F., & Hirnle, C. J. (2007). Fundamentals of nursing human health and function (5th ed.). Philadelphia, PA: Lippincott Williams & Wilkins.

Bolded areas my emphases

Multicollinearity specializes in Acute Care Psych, DNP Student.

Actually this nurse was technically correct...not to hurt and feelings or anything.

To me, it is irrelevant if she was correct or not. It was not the proper setting for that conversation.

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