BS!

CCL RN, RN · Feb 2, 2011

Thanks CCL, I'm slightly frustrated. I am wasting a lot of time writing BS papers. True education and expanding your intellectual repertoire is good. But damn... I see very little of that in the nursing field of higher education. When will our educators realize they are 20 years behind the times, and living in lala land?

I completely agree.

ImThatGuy, BSN, RN · Feb 2, 2011

There have been some interesting reports lately about both the cost of education and the lack of rigor.

rngreenhorn · Feb 2, 2011

There have been some interesting reports lately about both the cost of education and the lack of rigor.

I have a hard time with the fact that the master and doctorate prepared nursing leadership who are responsible for recommending a curriculum for a school, can also approve of nursing dx like "disturbed energy field" and at the same time go on an on about evidence based practice... come on, which is it?

BTW, as a bedside nurse, I have a doctorate in BM...

dudette10, MSN, RN · Feb 2, 2011

As a BS is a Bachelor of Science, I'd have to go with yes, he/she's in a bachelors program

Good god, I'm an idiot.. Everyone should be afraid if I work nights.

elkpark · Feb 2, 2011

I have a hard time with the fact that the master and doctorate prepared nursing leadership who are responsible for recommending a curriculum for a school, can also approve of nursing dx like "disturbed energy field" and at the same time go on an on about evidence based practice... come on, which is it?

Please don't dismiss all of nursing dx on the basis of the infamous "disturbed energy field" dx. It got into NANDA because Delores Krieger and her small band of Therapeutic Touch "true believers" had friends on the NANDA board (which has always been a fairly tight-knit little clique loyal to their friends), and the dx is there pretty much for the sole purpose of providing a justification for TT as a nursing intervention. Nursing does have its kooks and outliers, just like every other profession/occupation, but it would be shame (and a mistake, IMO) to judge every group on the basis of it's loopiest members. Many (most??) of us have always found the dx a major embarrassment, and had nothing to do with "approving" it -- but we also have no power to get it removed from the NANDA taxonomy now that it's in there. (It also was added to the NANDA list long before "EBP" became the newest buzzword, not that that that's any kind of excuse ... :uhoh3: )

There is a lengthy thread here somewhere specifically on the topic of the "disturbed energy field" dx -- have you looked at it? Parts of it are pretty entertaining, as I recall. I assure you this is not a concept (or dx) that is accepted by the larger nursing community. It's more of an entertaining anomaly (in the spirit of, "if we didn't laugh, we'd have to cry" :rolleyes: ).

rngreenhorn · Feb 2, 2011

Elkpark, thanks for the history of "disturbed energy field"-- you are right, in general nursing dx are good. I was stereotyping the entire group, there are some really great leaders with a smart vision for nursing.... but yeah, sometimes ya just gotta blow off steam. Now, I have to get my "chakrameter" out and go measure some energy feilds ;0)

joanna73, BSN, RN · Feb 2, 2011

LOL! I graduated with honours. Why?? Because l learned very early to pick the answers they want, and write what they liked. After the second year of my four year degree, many of us wondered why we still had 2 more years left. And, picking the answers they want was the same strategy I used to succeed in my RN exam. Critical thinking? I am loathing that term now. Thanks for this thread...sooo true :)

llg, PhD, RN · Feb 2, 2011

Nursing does have its kooks and outliers, just like every other profession/occupation, but it would be shame (and a mistake, IMO) to judge every group on the basis of it's loopiest members.

:yeah:

Great point. If you scratch the surface of any discipline, you will find some kooky ideas -- as well as some educational programs of poor quality. We need to remember that as we examine the nursing profession. Sure, there are some things (and people) who are hard to defend ... but that doesn't mean the whole profession is bad.

Nepenthe Sea · Feb 2, 2011

I agree! Why do you guys thing nursing school is this way? We have to do so much damn busy work (like we just have time on our hands!), and learn such stupid stuff. The nurses where I work tell me that NS does almost nothing to prepare you for the real world. And we have to do all this mind-numbing archaic crap, like full care plans, when the evidence is not showing this to be the best way to learn. But we just have to keep doing it because "that's what we've always done". NS is all about teaching to the test, which I really detest. Then we get to throw away a huge amount of what we have been busting our butts to learn. I LOVE how we have to use an article less than five years old when writing a paper, but the videos we are required to watch are like 25 years old!

Whew! Can you tell I'm about to graduate and absolutely SICK of school? Lol

mspontiac · Feb 2, 2011

I agree! Why do you guys thing nursing school is this way? We have to do so much damn busy work (like we just have time on our hands!), and learn such stupid stuff. The nurses where I work tell me that NS does almost nothing to prepare you for the real world. And we have to do all this mind-numbing archaic crap, like full care plans, when the evidence is not showing this to be the best way to learn. But we just have to keep doing it because "that's what we've always done". NS is all about teaching to the test, which I really detest. Then we get to throw away a huge amount of what we have been busting our butts to learn. I LOVE how we have to use an article less than five years old when writing a paper, but the videos we are required to watch are like 25 years old!
Whew! Can you tell I'm about to graduate and absolutely SICK of school? Lol

I feel the exact same way. This semester, I have stopped sitting quietly by and tolerating the stuff that goes on in my program; I have become the sqeaky wheel who is an advocate for myself and the rest of the students. I'm sure I have become known as the "vocal complainer" this semester. I am so burned out I could scream, and I am just ready to be DONE. :uhoh3:

ImThatGuy, BSN, RN · Feb 2, 2011

I have a hard time with the fact that the master and doctorate prepared nursing leadership who are responsible for recommending a curriculum for a school, can also approve of nursing dx like "disturbed energy field" and at the same time go on an on about evidence based practice... come on, which is it?
BTW, as a bedside nurse, I have a doctorate in BM...

Just to make it known; I was talking about higher education in general - not nursing education.

Like this: http://www.insidehighered.com/news/2011/01/18/study_finds_large_numbers_of_college_students_don_t_learn_much

Disturbed energy field, lol. Seems like it'd be a good nursing diagnosis. Sad isn't? :rolleyes:

RLtinker, LPN · Feb 3, 2011

Students who study by themselves for more hours each week gain more knowledge -- while those who spend more time studying in peer groups see diminishing gains.
Students whose classes reflect high expectations (more than 40 pages of reading a week and more than 20 pages of writing a semester) gained more than other students.

Well duh!

I actually had a issue at the start of this semester. Take my AP2 case with the same teacher I had in AP1 or get a new teacher. Here is the thing, I got an A in AP1 but felt like I wasn't learning anything he was literally too easy. I spent a whole hour a week preparing for that class. All he did was read from the power points which after 3 hours makes you feel a bit numb. I think I literally learned more about AP1 from Medical Terminology then I did from the AP1 class its self. :eek: (had a great teacher for that class) I think my AP1 teacher literally tried to give away As, but I not going to go into how he did that. I actually went out of my way to learn the stuff he just so happened to skip. (What can I say? I am naturally curious.) So this semester I found a better teacher, thank god.

A good teacher will push you to learn and make it interesting. Not give you busy work or just lecture mindlessly. This may sound crazy but I like to learn and I want to work for my grades and not have them given to me.