Nothing upsets me more when a pre-meds bashes the nursing profession. After hovering over the SDN site (student doctor network) I find that a lot of pre-meds thinks that nurses are below them when they are not even in med school yet! I just don't understand their mentality of why they can sit on their high horses all day and talk about nurses because they're "aspiring doctors". And it is not even the SDN site, it is also the pre-meds at my university that made me want to check out the site anyway.
They tried to talk me out of being a nurse because some thing called the nursing module is stupid and take a thousand year for a nursing to do any obvious diagnosing and it should be only up to the doctors to that. So nothing gets my blood boiling when people think they are better than you then actually worrying about being a considerate, capable doctor w/o bashing the nurses!
Rant over. I was going to rant on the SDN forum but I'm not a pre-med and I don't think they care much.
I would not worry too much about what a bunch of people who have not even been accepted into medical school think. Their opinions very well may change once, and if, they actually get in. To be honest, at one time I thought I wanted to go to medical school too. But, I was quite young, and thought doctors were involved with patient care more than they truly are. Once I realized that nurses played a more active role in patient care, I decided that was the route I wanted to take. I think a lot of it is ignorance of what doctors and nurses do.
That's a very big generalization to make especially since at lots of universities the nursing schools are far more competitive than the generic BS in biology. It is lame that many pre meds use this philosophy and automatically assume all nursing students are far dumber and wouldn't be able to maintain high gpas.
Also pre meds aren't doing any dosage calculations that's why you don't hear of them... (all it is is just general courses in varying sciences, a pre med concentration isn't even a major and is literally useless if you don't get to med school)
Well... The Commuter has a point because take a look around on here and how many "I failed the NCLEX five times!!" posts do you see? Not every one of those students are from a for profit school, either. I precept students from a major university with an esteemed nursing program often and just to be frank, a lot of these students are not the sharpest crayon in the box. It boggles my mind.
That's a very big generalization to make especially since at lots of universities the nursing schools are far more competitive than the generic BS in biology. It is lame that many pre meds use this philosophy and automatically assume all nursing students are far dumber and wouldn't be able to maintain high gpas.
Also pre meds aren't doing any dosage calculations that's why you don't hear of them... (all it is is just general courses in varying sciences, a pre med concentration isn't even a major and is literally useless if you don't get to med school)
Yeah they aren't taking dosage calc: they're taking physics and calculus.
I suppose my views will go against the general grain...
There tends to be a difference in the types of students who opt for pre-med versus pre-nursing. For instance, we simply do not hear of pre-med students who struggle with 7th grade level dosage calculations or seek to be admitted to programs with low GPAs.
Nursing attracts its fair share of dreamers. Some of these dreamers lack the academic horsepower to work through the curriculum. I know I might receive some blowback for my thoughts, but sometimes an opposing view stings.
Also pre meds aren't doing any dosage calculations that's why you don't hear of them... (all it is is just general courses in varying sciences, a pre med concentration isn't even a major and is literally useless if you don't get to med school)
No, they're not.
They are, however, taking physics, general chemistry, and organic chemistry and, quite often, calculus.
Take a look at sample questions from the MCAT vs. TEAS and HESI... the former requires a much higher level of knowledge and problem-solving skills than do the latter.
That's no negative commentary on nursing nor nurses but the academic requirements of pursuing a career in a medicine by comparison to a career in nursing are much more rigorous.
Take a look at sample questions from the MCAT vs. TEAS and HESI... the former requires a much higher level of knowledge and problem-solving skills than do the latter.
it doesn't make sense to compare the two since the Hesi is an exit exam and the MCAT is an entrance exam (and in no way saying the USMLE is comparable to the NLCEX lol) and I definitely do know the knowledge that needs to be remembered and applied is far more, but to say they're the smartest kids is a stretch or that the kids who feel like they're not smart enough go into nursing. Definitely does happen but I really doubt they're smarter. I was prv pre med and most nursing science were easier, some were harder (organic biochem was far far harder than chem I & II) but why would pre med's be considered the smartest when like comp science majors go up to linear algebra (since everyone keeps mentioning calc) or physics majors go up to grad level courses in just physics?
It's just annoying when pre meds think they're already in med school when they're no where near it at the moment.
I don't think by any means they're smarter. the smarter ones are the ones that are in accelerated 7 yr med programs already, the rest of the pre meds are just like every other student that's majoring in anything. I didn't say which was more rigorous but I do think pre meds try harder, study more, etc b/c they're goal is to get to med school. I think some of ou are confusing pre med with med school which are two very different monsters, and I def did not compare nursing school to med school.
Well... The Commuter has a point because take a look around on here and how many "I failed the NCLEX five times!!" posts do you see? Not every one of those students are from a for profit school, either. I precept students from a major university with an esteemed nursing program often and just to be frank, a lot of these students are not the sharpest crayon in the box. It boggles my mind.
only 40% of pre meds get to med school there really is no second chance besides reapplying and retaking it, so the fact that 60% of pre meds don't matriculate should speak enough that all of them aren't the cream of the crop.
Nursing school is more lenient with grades definitely but comparing med school which is an M.D. with a BSN are two very different things, but a pre med is an undergrad concentration.
Why were you on that forum? Just wondering. I honestly could care less what pre-med students think.......
i saw saw some fascinating things from residents last week trying to do a central line for the first time. It made me fee better that they fumble around just like we do when learning!!!
i don't know about OP but I like browsing SDN when I'm really, REALLY bored 😂
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Threads like these tend to bestow more attention upon the SDN forums than is reasonably deserved. Why steer attention to a bunch of pre-med students and medical students who frown down upon the nursing profession?
The problem is that this attitude doesn't stop when they get into medical school. We get med students at my hospital and they can be seriously obnoxious. They expect us nurses to give them a full report at 6am when we are trying to get our last tasks done before day shift arrives, they simply sit down and take our computers even when all our stuff is clearly set out around it, one even had the audacity to pull down a complex dressing on a patient of mine about 20 minutes after I had done my dressing change AND left it off and sitting in the bed with them. When I was in nursing school we got read the riot act about how we were guests at our clinical facilities, how we would be respectful of those working there and that we should consider it a privilege to be there. Guess that shows you the difference in education.
Thankfully our Medical team very much believes in a team effort between nurses and physicians, one student got reemed out by the head of our Trauma team. He made the mistake of saying "Well they did that" and pointed at the nurses, she was not impressed. Also after 2 days of this jerk student pulling down my dressing each morning, after I had told him I do my dressing changes at 530 and he could meet me then to look at the wound, I finally was done. Day 3, I watched him go into my room and pull down the dressing and when he was all done I was standing there with a bucket full of wound care supplies and handed it to him. When he looked at me funny I told him that if he was taking it off he was going to put it back on, properly. He whinned about having a lot more research to do on the patient and I told him if he felt he was above putting that dressing back on I'd be happy to let the our Head of Trauma know about that (she's a huge stickler for wound care). He put that dressing back on AND began showing up at 530 to meet me for dressing changes.
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I would not worry too much about what a bunch of people who have not even been accepted into medical school think. Their opinions very well may change once, and if, they actually get in. To be honest, at one time I thought I wanted to go to medical school too. But, I was quite young, and thought doctors were involved with patient care more than they truly are. Once I realized that nurses played a more active role in patient care, I decided that was the route I wanted to take. I think a lot of it is ignorance of what doctors and nurses do.