Australia versus New Zealand

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so it seems like working in New Zealand as a nurse is much lower pay and lower standard of living than being a nurse in Australia or Canada.

So why would you (in my case) immigrate to New Zealand to study nursing there, get in debt, and work there oppose to doing so in Australia?

I love the weather, environment, and the idea of living in New Zealand but I am having second thoughts about it, realizing that I may be living in a poor standard of living trying to make it as a nurse and pay off school debt... Would I be better of immigrating to Australia and try to be a nurse there?

I love nursing and I wouldn't mind getting paid less to do so... but I am in dire need of money so I have to look at the financial aspect :(

plus what are my chances of getting hired after graduating from a NZ university in nursing and getting a job right away? Or getting a visa change from international student to working visa... is it fairly easy? possibly easier than Australia or Canada?

No it's not going to be better to get your BSN in Canada. First of all, you are you going to get there? Second, you need a license anyway. So I would suggest to do a research in which state you can be licensed, and also what's the admission criteria and cost for BSN program there. Obtaining BSN in the States should be your priority at this moment. Experience is only secondary.

I would like to emphasize that you need to take initial licensure exam in the state where you plan to get your license.

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No it's not going to be better to get your BSN in Canada. First of all, you are you going to get there? Second, you need a license anyway. So I would suggest to do a research in which state you can be licensed, and also what's the admission criteria and cost for BSN program there. Obtaining BSN in the States should be your priority at this moment. Experience is only secondary.

I would like to emphasize that you need to take initial licensure exam in the state where you plan to get your license.

thank you!

well that's totally possible but... BSN without experience still leaves me hanging because other countries won't accept me without experience. It is possible for me to go back to Korea and get a student visa to Canada and study RN to BSN there, that way I will get sponsored there. Is that not possible???

I think you are confusing yourself with your research. The RN to BScN transition in Canada is for experienced RN diploma holders to gain the BScN degree. The degree is a requirement for entry into nursing practice in Canada. The existing, experienced diploma nurses are upgrading in order to become Managers and work in Public Health. It is a career advancement step for these nurses.

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I think you are confusing yourself with your research. The RN to BScN transition in Canada is for experienced RN diploma holders to gain the BScN degree. The degree is a requirement for entry into nursing practice in Canada. The existing, experienced diploma nurses are upgrading in order to become Managers and work in Public Health. It is a career advancement step for these nurses.

http://www.kwantlen.ca/calendar/programs/gneng-cr.html

well this program talks about educating nurses who studied internationally and is coming back to nursing...

there are few programs like this, maybe not rn to bsn but at least some kind of transition program.

http://www.care4nurses.org/courses/

but you are right, I am not 100 percent sure if I will be eligible upon graduating.

Specializes in Critical Care.
No it's not going to be better to get your BSN in Canada. First of all, you are you going to get there? Second, you need a license anyway. So I would suggest to do a research in which state you can be licensed, and also what's the admission criteria and cost for BSN program there. Obtaining BSN in the States should be your priority at this moment. Experience is only secondary.

I would like to emphasize that you need to take initial licensure exam in the state where you plan to get your license.

y is that by the way??? So I have to choose carefully which state to take licensure because I can only get the license from that state??? On top of that I have to get into the school in that state!!! I am looking at Oregon Health and Science University, they have online RN BSN program and since I live in California, I can do clinical here and do classes online, 420 dollars per credit. Not too bad at all! I can get the license in Oregon and apply for this program... it just means I have to make sure I qualify for this program because once I get Oregon license, I have to go to Oregon school and this is the only one that I can afford... the other schools are more expensive.

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Because of the situation the OP is in I am moving this to the International forum as discussing several things and countries

y is that by the way??? So I have to choose carefully which state to take licensure because I can only get the license from that state??? On top of that I have to get into the school in that state!!! I am looking at Oregon Health and Science University, they have online RN BSN program and since I live in California, I can do clinical here and do classes online, 420 dollars per credit. Not too bad at all! I can get the license in Oregon and apply for this program... it just means I have to make sure I qualify for this program because once I get Oregon license, I have to go to Oregon school and this is the only one that I can afford... the other schools are more expensive.

This particular program requires a lot of credits to graduate. Normally, only about 120 credits are required (like here http://nursing.up.edu/default.aspx?cid=3539&pid=206), but this program requires 180 and it seems like only 48 credits can be transferred. I think it's not worth it. It will take too long and will be expensive to complete this program.

Have you checked other programs?

http://www.oregon.gov/OSBN/RN_LPNprograms.shtml#Baccalaureate_Degree_Programs

Also, the major issue will be to get accepted there in the first place, because they may require a proof of status as the US resident or international student.

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http://www.oregon.gov/OSBN/RN_LPNprograms.shtml#Baccalaureate_Degree_Programs

Also, the major issue will be to get accepted there in the first place, because they may require a proof of status as the US resident or international student.

there's a program in University of Health Science of Oregon, it's a online course so I can stay in California and still do it online. Linfield also has one online and they are all roughly 420dollar per credit.

Here is my question though Promin1... why should I get a BSN here in U.S. if I can get it in Canada or New Zealand?

My BSN is only good here in the states... If I take that BSN to another country, it is still useless because I have no experience as a nurse... On the other hand if I can manage to transfer to a school in Canada and get a BSN... I can probably get sponsored for a work visa since they are in dire need of nurses...

so why should I stay and get a BSN here in U.S.?

Specializes in Medical and general practice now LTC.
there's a program in University of Health Science of Oregon, it's a online course so I can stay in California and still do it online. Linfield also has one online and they are all roughly 420dollar per credit.

Here is my question though Promin1... why should I get a BSN here in U.S. if I can get it in Canada or New Zealand?

My BSN is only good here in the states... If I take that BSN to another country, it is still useless because I have no experience as a nurse... On the other hand if I can manage to transfer to a school in Canada and get a BSN... I can probably get sponsored for a work visa since they are in dire need of nurses...

so why should I stay and get a BSN here in U.S.?

Canada isn't in as dire need of nurses as you think and even if they are employers would more than likely be looking for experience. Alberta already has a hiring freeze and the other provinces could easily follow suite and this could affect you even if you did your training in Canada. They may require proof of legal status in the US and this may have a impact on whether they will issue a student visa or not.

Staying when you know you are there illegal just means you are opening yourself up even more to getting caught and being deported and that will harm your chances on returning.

It's up to you. How are you going to emigrate to Canada or New Zealand, have you looked at the criteria? Will you get enough points? Without BSN you won't be able to obtain a license there. No license means to emigration. Get your BSN here. By the time you finish school the Dream Act may pass and you wont need to go anywhere.

Specializes in Critical Care.
Canada isn't in as dire need of nurses as you think and even if they are employers would more than likely be looking for experience. Alberta already has a hiring freeze and the other provinces could easily follow suite and this could affect you even if you did your training in Canada. They may require proof of legal status in the US and this may have a impact on whether they will issue a student visa or not.

Staying when you know you are there illegal just means you are opening yourself up even more to getting caught and being deported and that will harm your chances on returning.

nope, my status here in the U.S. does not affect my chance of immigrating else where, already confirmed with lawyers, etc. Deportation will affect me but not if I leave voluntarily.

there is no "returning..." Even after 10 year ban they won't let me back in, it's not likely. My best chance is to wait and see if this law is going to pass next year. Leaving right now before the law even comes up to be voted would be foolish. There's a 50/50 chance that comprehensive immigration may pass. On top of that, I can technically get sponsored, my application for legal status is pending, so I am not 100 percent illegal, I am in a legal limbo where I am stuck as a pending visa status... It's not as easy as just leaving, that may be YOUR opinion but that is definitely not the best option for my future. I would appreciate it if you reserve your own judgment and opinion... I am simply asking for some information and facts about the possibility of immigrating to another country.

Well somehow, I don't think most countries will welcome the application of an illegal resident of the US.

But then from your post, our opinion doesn't matter, so why keep asking for them.

You know the answers you want to hear.

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