Apologies for using the term "NETY"

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I posted recently using this term. I want to apologize for using it without knowing what it really means to you. I am (relatively) new to nursing - I have mostly worked as a scientist. Clearly it's not a nice thing to say, and I am sorry for titling my post with those words.

Best to you.

Specializes in Gastroenterology, PACU.
No. It needs to be put to rest.

It's four words strung together to elicit a specific response.

It's also less valid as older nurses are being pushed out in favor of younger, cuter, more PR positive for the almighty Press-Gainy scores.

You actually see more young nurses treating older nurses like crap these days, because the message they get from management is that they are more important and deserve what the older nurses have worked for years to attain-the more desirable schedules and assignments.

... is this true that this happens? If so, that's terrible, and it makes me really, really sad. I've never even thought of nety in reverse or the horrible justifications for it. :(

Also, the problem with so many of these arguments is their modalities. Some people come off with arguments that involve the almighty implicit 'all.' The phrase NETY might stop being so controversial if used in a much weaker sense. I know from personal experience that it's not 'all' and it's not 'none.' It's just some. More than the quantity 1 and less than the percentage 100. Arguing any specifics to justify an 'all' or 'none' statement is a sampling fallacy and a compositional one as well.

So let's not make fallacious arguments. That's the real problem, imo!

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
This is the best part of your post. I agree.

This is pretty odd. "aches and pains and call out for headaches...don't know what pain is yet" Care to explain what pain young nurses are to experience soon? Sounds like you're being pretty judgmental about younger nurses and, dare I say, working towards eating your young. You already have categorized a majority of them as weak simply for being "younger."

Younger people are more energetic than older people. I feel it's a little strange I have to explain this to a nurse. No one is saying that "an old broad" such as yourself is, in any way, slow. What I am saying is younger nurses come onto a unit bright eyed, full of questions and doubt and trying their best to be the best nurse they can be. They have not had the years to become cynical as those of us with the experience behind us.

And I'll have to disagree with you.

Young nurses call out frequently for hangovers, headaches, soreness from working out; whatever. They haven't yet experienced the aches and pains that some of us older nurses have been dealing with daily for years (and coming to work anyway.) They don't yet understand what an aging body feels like.

As far as younger people being more energetic than older folks -- some are. Some aren't. Some people who are in their fifties, sixties and seventies now are pretty energetic after a lifetime of hard work. Some 20- and 30- somethings have spent their lifetime playing video games and hanging out on FaceBook and aren't so energetic. As far as "younger nurses come onto a unit bright eyed, full of questions and doubt and trying their best to be the best nurse they can be" -- that's a cliche, too. Some are that way, others come on the unit jaded and cynical and convinced that they know all there is to know about everything. It varies.

And I'm surprised that this has to be explained to someone with all those letters after the name.

This is for Dealwithit:

True story: The young are eating the old more often than the other way around in my experience. Anecdote for anecdote. Fair is fair. And yea, for the most part when I hear a 20 something calling out for a "cold" or "headache" I do roll my eyes. So often it's on a Monday, after a "big weekend" they posted all about on twitter and FB. And your body already breaking down and failing at 28, absent of chronic long-standing disease

You're passing judgement on a huge group of nurses here and assuming many are are weak and frail and complain too much. You roll your eyes about someone having a headache and assume it's because of drinking since they're young. Interesting.

And Dealwithit, You young 'uns are more energetic than me? OK----then just prove it by showing up and working hard. I don't call out from work unless I am severely sick or if I were injured. I can count on one hand the number of times I have called out from work in all my working years, which between the military and nursing, number quite a few.

I think this may be the issue here. You're taking this personal. No where did anyone say you're slow or weak or call off work a lot (not sure where that even came from) but it doesn't matter. Again I'm assuming you're saying these things to suggest that younger nurses do, in fact, call off work a lot and don't show up to work hard as you do. Sounds like more age discrimination to me

...It varies.

And I'm surprised that this has to be explained to someone with all those letters after the name.

Well you don't have to explain the point that "it varies," that would seem self-evident. We're both talking about opinions based on our own experiences. I'll grant you that my experiences, in the facilities I've worked, seem to work out the way I've posted, and you're more than okay to disagree with your own anecdotal evidence to back you.

But it appears that's where we end. I'm just sharing my opinion formed from my experience, as you are.

Specializes in Specializes in L/D, newborn, GYN, LTC, Dialysis.

You are reading what you want/choose to only in my post, Dealwithit. I am done here. I don't have the inclination or time anymore to waste on yet another NETY thread. Just curious: How many years' nursing do you have? To have all the education you do, I would think more than a few. Seems to me you are being rather obtuse with your posts. Anyhow enough. I am over it. Peace out.

I feel bad for starting this mess. Please don't have bad feelings, people. Life is far too short.

Thank you all for your input. I value your words, and I wish you all well.

You are reading what you want/choose to only in my post, Dealwithit. I am done here. I don't have the inclination or time anymore to waste on yet another NETY thread. Just curious: How many years' nursing do you have? To have all the education you do, I would think more than a few. Seems to me you are being rather obtuse with your posts. Anyhow enough. I am over it. Peace out.

You ask about my years of experience? I'd only guess as a final act of desperation to assert your seniority in this argument. I don't see any level of education or licensure listed for you. You may want to be more upfront with your credentials before asking others. Take care.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
You ask about my years of experience? I'd only guess as a final act of desperation to assert your seniority in this argument. I don't see any level of education or licensure listed for you. You may want to be more upfront with your credentials before asking others. Take care.

Oh come on. She has over 37,000 posts. If you don't get the "getting to know you" aspect of an online community I think "obtuse" is not a bad description here.

Specializes in Geriatrics, Home Health.

And now for another exciting round of "Every nurse younger than me is a spoiled, incompetent, entitled snowflake."

Oh come on. She has over 37,000 posts. If you don't get the "getting to know you" aspect of an online community I think "obtuse" is not a bad description here.

Listen, in no way is the fact she spends a lot of time on this site relevant to the question at hand. What are her credentials in response to her asking my years of working.

This conversation will quickly boil down to senior nurses saying anyone with less years of experience is somehow less knowledgable.

Specializes in Peds/outpatient FP,derm,allergy/private duty.
Listen, in no way is the fact she spends a lot of time on this site relevant to the question at hand. What are her credentials in response to her asking my years of working.

Your attitude surrounding your credentials and your years of experience is the issue, but not a bad finesse.

This conversation will quickly boil down to senior nurses saying anyone with less years of experience is somehow less knowledgable.

No it won't.

However, I'll retreat to the observer position now.

Specializes in CCU, SICU, CVSICU, Precepting & Teaching.
You ask about my years of experience? I'd only guess as a final act of desperation to assert your seniority in this argument. I don't see any level of education or licensure listed for you. You may want to be more upfront with your credentials before asking others. Take care.

Yet no answer. Her 30,000 + posts to your 15? I think she has seniority over you!

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