Anyone out there that just wants to work?

caroladybelle, BSN, RN · Mar 11, 2003

Originally posted by Disablednurse
It is very obvious that lpnga just wants to argue. I live in the south and have never heard of any such a thing as she is describing in Georgia. That is absurd. People think that the south is slow and if you believe what she writes then we should be thought slow. She needs to get a serious grip on reality.

I don't know where lpnga is in GA - but no place in GA that I have worked for in the last 8 years permitted unlicensed personnel to do meds or IVs. Heck, our CNAs at the last facility didn't even do dressing changes or accuchecks. In many places, RN students are not even permitted to start IVs until they are licensed.

Of course, I like to work for good facilities, ones that care enough for their staff and their patients to ensure quality care.

Please let us know where you work - I will be happy to avoid that facility. I wouldn't want to take that much risk with my license.

lpnga · Mar 11, 2003

well in northwest ga and chattanooga, tn then yes you can...do you people have pcts where you work? *Patient CAre Tech* and you will be listed as a 1 2 or 3. I went to keyword and typed in what does a pct do? and i found a website and this is what i pulled up...I am not sure what state this is for but here it is

Patient Care Assistant Training: This 12 week program was designed with the cooperation and collaboration of the health care industry to prepare participants for entry-level, patient-care work in the acute care hospital setting. The students learn basic patient-care skills, human anatomy and physiology, basic system disease processes, medical terminology and AHA Basic Life Support training for healthcare providers. Areas covered in addition to the CNA program include: Identification of essential and critical observations to report to an RN, Pre-op and Post-operative care of surgical patients, maintenance of tubes (i.e. NG tubes, foleys, drainage tubes, etc.), bedside glucose monitoring, care of the pediatric population, and critical thinking exercises. A comprehensive skills competency checklist is completed during the program. Each participant completes 2 weeks full-time clinical internship at a local acute care hospital. Instructional methods focus on the cognitive, psychomotor, which encourages an affective domain of competent patient care.

Moving from Care Assistant to Clinical Technician: This program is developed in cooperation with the regional health care industry to provide persons working as entry-level unlicensed assistive personnel in the hospital setting to obtain the skills necessary to advance to clinical technician. These advanced clinical skills do not require licensure by state or federal organizations. These skills include: Neurological: determine level of consciousness, management of seizures; Cardiac: performing 12 lead EKG's, application of anti-embolism measures, care of central lines; Respiratory: application of O2 therapy, airway management, suctioning, tracheostomy tube care, chest tube setup; Gastrointestinal: tube feeding maintenance; Urinary: Foley catheter insertion; Advance clinical procedures: sterile technique, wound care, specimen collection, phlebotomy, IV insertion and IV monitoring. Program includes 88 hours of classroom and laboratory practice. Participants in this program must have at least 3 months working experience as a care assistant and letter of recommendation from their supervisor prior to acceptance in to the program.

where i live it is not called Clinical Technician it is called pct 1 2 or 3....

CoffeeRTC, BSN, RN · Mar 11, 2003

12 Weeks Training! Only 2 weeks clinical? That is very frightening!! I'm from Pa and I don't think our LPNs are able to do half of those procedures and they are trained for 12-18 months!!

dingofred · Mar 11, 2003

:angryfire Sounds like Ipnga has an axe to

grind!! You sound SO mad!:angryfire :angryfire

lpnga · Mar 11, 2003

well where i live we don't have 12 week programs we have 6 month clinicals..sorry i should have posted that...

CoffeeRTC, BSN, RN · Mar 11, 2003

12 Weeks Training! That is very frightening!! I'm from Pa and I don't think our LPNs are able to do half of those procedures and they are trained for 12-18 months!!

pickledpepperRN · Mar 11, 2003

Originally posted by lpnga
I also wanted to ask you Kc Chick why are you going for your BSN? do you want to go further or just want it to be proud?

When I worked as a CNA I worked in a nursing home. A resident had a black stool so after cleaning her I reported it to the LVN. Answer, "That stupid aide didn't understand that iron makes the BM black."

As and LVN a couple years later the CEO at the acute hospital where I worked held a forum where I was the elected representative from my unit. When I told of our throwing fracture bedpans away because we could not reach in to clean them so wanted a long handeled device he clipped his naild rather than listen to 'bedpan talk'. His remark to the DON was, "There must not be any problems on that unit if they sent an LVN.

My answer, "The RNs cannot leave because ther are only 2 of them for 26 patients. As it is it is unsafe. I am doing this on my day off."

I earned my RN to have a voice. Just a few years ago I admit to earning a BSN to be proud.

It takes intelligence and maturity to be a good CNA.

It takes more education to be an LP/VN. More to earn an RN.

Think of this. The RN is responsible for the patients. If a team member is allowed to go beyong the legal scope of practice that RN may lose his or her license.

It is also a criminal offense to practice nursing without a license or hold ones self out as an LVN or RN without possessing a current license.

The person who would be that dishonest may also harm patients by their lack of integrity.

Much better to obey the laws and regulations.

Would you allow your loved ones to be operated on (appendix to brain surgery) by an unlicensed person with a 'natural talent"?

PS: Thank you for being so kind and understanding of the residents. Seemd they are fortunate to have you as their caregiver.

PPS: God did not make me better than anyone. We all have the free will to make choices. Many of my choices do not make me proud. When following the Golden Rule we should be proud of our choices.

Disablednurse · Mar 11, 2003

I have gone back and read some of the postings of lpnga. She has had some postings in several areas that were of interest: she has moved from Tennessee to Georgia, started to LPN school, finished CNA school, has been taking pre reqs for RN school, her father had lost one job and found a better one, lost a resident from the LTC she is working at, etc. most of this happened since the first of March. lpnga, are you a CNA or an LPN. I am sorry for all of your misfortune if it is truly misfortune, but I believe you are posting to the message boards just to get others riled up so they will argue with you. I am an RN who was an LPN previously. I truly believe in the CNAs because they are the backbone of LTC. Without them in LTC, we would be lost. The nurses do not have time to spend with the residents that the CNAs do, so they must depend on the CNAs to help them with the residents. They see more of the residents so they must be the resident's spokesman for their needs. If you are a CNA or LPN, you know what I am talking about. If you are not, don't just try to get people to argue with you.

MishlB · Mar 11, 2003

Originally posted by Disablednurse
I have gone back and read some of the postings of lpnga. She has had some postings in several areas that were of interest: she has moved from Tennessee to Georgia, started to LPN school, finished CNA school, has been taking pre reqs for RN school, her father had lost one job and found a better one, lost a resident from the LTC she is working at, etc. most of this happened since the first of March. lpnga, are you a CNA or an LPN. I am sorry for all of your misfortune if it is truly misfortune, but I believe you are posting to the message boards just to get others riled up so they will argue with you. I am an RN who was an LPN previously. I truly believe in the CNAs because they are the backbone of LTC. Without them in LTC, we would be lost. The nurses do not have time to spend with the residents that the CNAs do, so they must depend on the CNAs to help them with the residents. They see more of the residents so they must be the resident's spokesman for their needs. If you are a CNA or LPN, you know what I am talking about. If you are not, don't just try to get people to argue with you.

EXACTLY! There are so many contradictions in previous posts, I don't know what to believe. She claims to be a CNA, yet posts that she is in training and will work as CNA after March 13. One post states she is in RN school, another states in CNA courses, yet another says she is 20 and knows all about nursing. Read for yourself...sounds compulsive to me.

lpnga · Mar 11, 2003

yes I was in school for my lpn but changed to rn..I was suppose to finish my CNA class on march 13 but instead I found another program that offered it sooner and faster...my dad did lose his job in feb and got a better one..my grandmother just died a week ago..and i have a pt who is about to die (all the signs) and was wondering if people go to the funeral..i lived in tenn 10 years ago...i was going to go to the university of tenn at chatt but i can't pay for it so i had to settle for my adn at a local community college ...but i have found somewhere that will pay 100% of my bsn so that is an option again....because i can't get into the program until 04 for my adn...i am not posting to get people to agrue..did you also read that i know a girl who has a baby that was born with herpes....yes i have so many problems....my son just burned his arm three days ago my other son feel and busted his lip...i was bit by a dog two days ago...problems problems problems...i post many questions to get people to help me with decisions because i don't have anyone in my family who can help me...i love to post here and don't want to argue just want help with questions...

MishlB · Mar 11, 2003

Originally posted by lpnga
yes I was in school for my lpn but changed to rn..I was suppose to finish my CNA class on march 13 but instead I found another program that offered it sooner and faster...my dad did lose his job in feb and got a better one..my grandmother just died a week ago..and i have a pt who is about to die (all the signs) and was wondering if people go to the funeral..i lived in tenn 10 years ago...i was going to go to the university of tenn at chatt but i can't pay for it so i had to settle for my adn at a local community college ...but i have found somewhere that will pay 100% of my bsn so that is an option again....because i can't get into the program until 04 for my adn...i am not posting to get people to agrue..did you also read that i know a girl who has a baby that was born with herpes....yes i have so many problems....my son just burned his arm three days ago my other son feel and busted his lip...i was bit by a dog two days ago...problems problems problems...i post many questions to get people to help me with decisions because i don't have anyone in my family who can help me...i love to post here and don't want to argue just want help with questions...

I just find it odd that you would post "what all could it mean after I go to the rest room and I wipe my behind and a small amount of blood is on the toliet paper"...and then claim to have extensive nursing knowledge. Maybe a discussion board is not the place for you to be seeking help...you seem to have an answer for everything already.

lpnga · Mar 11, 2003

"what all could it mean "

what all could it mean because i don't know everything it could mean...