We were discussing the Disneryland measles outbreak at work, and I was appalled to find some of my co-workers refuse to vaccinate their kids. They (grudgingly) receive the vaccines they need to remain employed, but doubt their safety/necessity for their kids.
I must say, I am absolutley stunned. How can one be a nurse and deny science?
As a nurse, you should darn well know what the scientific method entails and what phrases such as "evidence based" and "peer reviewed" mean.
I have to say, I have lost most of my respect for the nurses and mistrust their judgement; after all, if they deny science, on what premise are they basing their practices?
Chemo is probably one of the worst things you could put into someone. It damages the body and most people end up dying from the chemo itself and not the cancer.
Citation, please? "Because I said so" does not count, fyi. I'm interested in actual numbers.
Telling us to do your research is not how debate works. If you cannot back up your assertions, you should not make them. Again, "because I said so" is not an adequate answer. It is incumbent upon YOU to back up YOUR assertions if you want people to accept them.
You aren't "proving" anyone wrong by just saying they're wrong, though.
It's cloudy outside, therefore the sky is grey and anyone who says it's blue is RONG because I say it's grey because that's what I see outside my window.
I read an article by a vet the other day about how more and more clients are refusing vaccinations for their pets! Parvo, distemper, rabies. WTH people!
Many are blinded by science and choose only to look into the science that agrees with their opinion. That's what is going on here. Right here on this message board.
I can't believe how many of you radiate arrogance. You think you are better than me. Well, guess what, there is science that supports my side. So jump off your high horse, stop making false assumptions saying that I have no clue about the body and science, stop the insults because someone believes something different than you.
I don't think vaccines are that great.....so what!!! I'm entitled to that. No amount of put downs from you all will change that. I can't believe there are adults here as I feel like I'm being talked to by disrespectful teenagers. If you want to vaccinate yourself or your family, do it! But don't dare force your view on others and make them feel like they have to do it too. This is an ethical dilemma.
I can see that you will rave over vaccines until you know someone who has been injured or died because of it. You have no right to forcefully purge your opinions on others, or put others down because they feel differently.
Science is there for both sides. That's what the PROCON.org site shows. Yes, there are links to actual data, it's not just compiled from shady internet blogs. Whether you are for or against vaccines, science is on both sides of the issue. It's up for the individual to make an informed decision. Why don't any of you see that?
And one thing about nursing....Just because you are a nurse doesn't mean you know it all. You don't know all there is to know about the body or science. Floor nurses are glorified pill pushers. I am a nurse, and yeah, that's what I do: give drugs, hang IV bags, take people to the bathroom, look at labs, call the doctor, hang blood, change wound dressings, talk to families, chart, chart, chart etc. I didn't need college to learn how to do that. I get annoyed when nurses act arrogant like they are some nobel peace prize winning person, when really, we get down and dirty and are run ragged over a 12+ hour shift and barley have time to think about the science of it all. Let's be real here. I also get annoyed when nurses degrade other nurses because of differing beliefs. So to all the nurses like that, get over yourself. The sooner the better. Learn to be humble and have compassion (something lacking on this board for sure).
As I said in a prior post, and this is really IMPORTANT to point out again, science is ALWAYS EVOLVING. Got that? It's always evolving and changing. What was once safe could eventually proven to be unsafe. 30 years ago butter was bad, now the statements are retracted and NEW SCIENCE shows it is beneficial and perfectly okay to eat. Same with saturated fat, and on and on. So for everyone so wrapped up in the science of everything....This is something to think about. THINK. Science is always changing and evolving. The science you believe to be true now, might not be twenty years from now. I don't know how I can pound that into the ground anymore. Hopefully, it's clear now.
From the top article you cite but maybe didn't read:
"The issue of the risk of vaccination remains a philosophical one, since to date the advantages of this policy have not been refuted, while the risk for autoimmune disease has not been irrevocably proved."
"Principles and Findings We are profoundly critical of the practice of vaccination. Vaccination is an unacceptable risk to every member of society, regardless of age. As medical professionals, Council members have observed first-hand the health of vaccinated vs. the unvaccinated. We find the latter group to be robust, healthy and drug-free compared to the former group. We have reviewed published studies in support of vaccines and have found them wanting in both substance and science. We have brought out into the open hundreds of peer-reviewed, published medical articles that document the damage and the diseases caused by vaccines. We find the premise of herd immunity to be a faulty theory. We encourage intelligent debate about vaccination. We expect individuals to take responsibility for their health and the health of their children by investigating the problems due to vaccination prior to subjecting their children, or themselves, to this medical procedure. We believe that refusing vaccination is a personal right that should be legislatively guaranteed." - See more at: About | International Medical Council on Vaccination
pockunit, ADN, RN
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Chemo is probably one of the worst things you could put into someone. It damages the body and most people end up dying from the chemo itself and not the cancer.
Citation, please? "Because I said so" does not count, fyi. I'm interested in actual numbers.