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An open apology

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Originally posted by ageless

I believe that some posters are missing the point of this discussion. Asking a question for further understanding of the rational after one has found the textbook answer is perfectly respectable.

This discussion originally centered around a member who was going to different discussion groups in this forum typing in her study guide questions. Whether she/he denies it or not..it was pretty obvious that she wasn't asking out of concern for the "other students" knowledge base as she stated. IMHO I don't care to work with lazy nurses and that is the beginning sign of one. one who for example will not look up their own medications in the PDR but rather have you do for them.

I especially enjoyed the question about the pulse ox. For fun i typed pulse oximetry into Google.com and came up with all the answers to the posters question in one hit. Apparently, the poster was too lazy to even do that...we were asked to do it for him/her.

I love student questions that have been asked after some effort on their part has been made and most seasoned nurses feel the same way.

 

IMHO the poster was attempting to cheat on an assignment. Nursing and deception are a dangerous combination.

AMEN!

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I just wanted to make a statement.......I am currently doing prereqs for nursing and I USED to visit this section quite often....this is the first time in around 4 months or so that I have been here......I stay in off topic and student nursing because of things such as this.....apparently that is where the students belong according to some posters. It does make me hesitant to approach anyone here with any questions when I actually start the program....very sad......

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I'm still not understanding how ppl made students

feel uncomfortable exactly....

the point I've seen ppl make is that students should do their own research and while its fine, even great for them to ask questions here, they shouldnt rely on the responses they get here only.

the work on their end still needs to go into any project or research they do.

I think that this thread has turned into something totally different than originally intended

and somehow has put nurses against students when infact thats not the case at all...

students , or anyone for that matter shouldnt feel that they cant post anywhere they want. no one has said anything maliciously about students to my knowledge..... I dont quite understand where all the drama and hard feelings are coming from.

we debate all the time around here

its really insane how passionate ppl get about all the wrong things..

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Originally posted by Robin61970

I just wanted to make a statement.......I am currently doing prereqs for nursing and I USED to visit this section quite often....this is the first time in around 4 months or so that I have been here......I stay in off topic and student nursing because of things such as this.....apparently that is where the students belong according to some posters. It does make me hesitant to approach anyone here with any questions when I actually start the program....very sad......

Robin, I think we all in agree in that we don't want to do you a disservice by handing out answers. We want you to actually learn and retain the information; by guiding you through the steps to arrive at the answer, we will be doing you a bigger favor than just spitting the answer out at you.

Trust me.;)

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Reminds me of an expression..

"Give a man a fish and feed him for a day...Teach a man to fish and feed him for a lifetime"

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Wow, has this thread ever gone astray! I've been working the past 2 nights; so haven't been on the BB.

I'm gonna ad my 2 cents; then stand back for the flaming. :chair:

I really LOVE to help students and other nurses who ask: "Could you help me with this? I can't find info on ____ "(fill in the blanks). "Why is this happening? I'd expect ____". Or; "this doesn't make sense to me;" or but I thought____". I usually bend over backwards to help someone who has shown some initiative in looking up the answers themselves, or is genuinely confused or interested in what is happening in a particular situation. I also appreciate anyone who comes out and asks me challenging questions to make ME think; but they better be able to help answer any questions on the topic that I may also come up with. In other words; show me you were thinking when you asked me the question first.

But when someone comes and asks "what are the nursing implications..." without telling me THEIR thoughts and ideas on the subject, it just sounds like they are asking me to do their thinking for them. :nono: That's what bothers me. And if the language and grammar on the question doesn't match that individuals' own grammar and speech (as though it came straight out of a textbook); then it really bothers me and I've been known to get cranky with that particular person. :( :mad:

I have no problem with students who ask me questions; just let me know that you have actually put some effort into the answer first. :idea:

Now I'll duck and run :chair:

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originally posted by skm-nursiepooh

...that bob's referring to, but i have to point-out that asking a question on these bbs could be considered doing research. i promise that i will do some research of my own & find the thread that's pertaining to this issue once i've finished with this post. one might not be satisfied with other traditional methods of research. quite frankly, what's the difference between arriving at an answer using text or workbooks, films/videos, internet sites (this & other official &/or credible nursing sites) & online articles(nursing or otherwise). no one, i believe, would ask anyone else here to write or do their homework for them...jmho :chair: perhaps we may make too much of this issue ??? :sniff:

hear hear moe, i agree with you!!!

cheers,

grace.;) :cool:

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I am just seeing how some have been made to feel...I can see both sides of the issue....while I am doing pre-reqs...I also believe in doing my own research, but I won't hesitate to ask for an opinion from someone who may know otherwise or have more infromation than I am able to find.....and nothing against any of you, but any research that is needed for class I believe would have to be documented as fact and not hey these nurses I know on this bulletin board said.....hhmm If I were an instructor that would not make me happy nor would I expect them to accept it as an answer.......I do feel though that while this subject has gotten off the beaten path that it has given most students a bad rap when we all aren't lumped into that category.....it's sad, but that is how it happens sometimes and now some will be hesitant to ask anything for fear of this whole thing happening again.....I'm not saying it's right, but it is true....hopefully this will blow over with not too many reprecusions(sp?)

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i admit that i thought that you were a little rough on the newbie, what with multiple postings of the same answer, and all. there is absolutely no disagreement that students should do their own research. i mentioned this to you in a pm. along with being resourceful enough to figure out where and how to locate the information they need, it also sharpens their critical thinking skills. tapping into the conversations of experienced nurses to help with your homework is just plain lame! it would scare me to death to be taken care of by a nurse like that! :eek: you are obviously a true gentleman and a caring person. i offer my apology, if i came across too harshly to you. :uhoh3:

...and people want to know if there should be male nurses! this is a perfect example of caring and empathy. you go guy! :wavey:

best regards,

cathy

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As a newbie to this board (proven by my low posting number), I will be very careful not to ask an indepth question least my intellegence be questioned! Yikes! Sweet Nurse will never be seen here again! I guess we newbies must tread lightly and hope to post appropriately since older members compile our postings to judge our merit!

PS I am not a student either, but you'll have to research my profile to figure me out!

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newbies, oldbies, and rugabies..........

starting to sound like ms Peggy's magic mirror.........

sorry, micro up too late and on a micro roll..........

where is that chair.............:chair:

actually, 2ndcareerrn,

said it way cool in his open apology.........

also others have said it well for students just as any of us to

not totally rely on another nurse, etc

students do have to learn,

nurses that are out there, we don't and won't ever know it all either..............that is why we don't stop learning and educating ourselves.........

but there are times that you do ask for input and if time is a pinch, well I know I will call pharm......etc........

etc, and on and on,

so students, don't take shortcuts, but it is okay to gleam from experience,

nobody get bent here on these threads.........micro knows

off to work again, hi, ho, hi ho.........:chuckle :stone ;) :p :p

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I really don't think this is the proper place for research for students.

How would you know the answers are right? You don't know who these people are

This board to me is for the exchange of ideas, and to have fun.

I don't want to do someone's homework.

Just not fun to me:uhoh3:

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