Age Discrimination in Nursing? How Old is "Too Old?"

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OMG, yes how about some of the nurses who are like 80 and should have retired 20 years ago, not taking anything away from anyone, but really ok, there is a time when we must hang it up. This one nurse would either forget to give a med, give too much or too little of a med, the Narc count is always off, and she could somehow remember that she gave it and what time but could never remember to write it down???????

SCARY!

That comment illustrates age discrimination! For your information, retirement age is 65, and may be extended to 70, since people age better these days. Granted, "senior" moments occur seldom to frequently as we age, which could be the case with "some of the nurses" you mentioned. However, in the 49 years since I graduated (do the math), I haven't met another nurse practising at 80 years of age.

Incidently my son thinks that mandatory death sentences should occur after 65 (what did I do to deserve that? He's his father's son!).

In all occupations, it would be great if retirement planning was recommended, but for most it's not financially possible in this country wherein pensions in the hands of employers went south years ago (as has health insurance).

Other countries' governments handle that very efficiently, just as health care is, elsewhere. Here our fear of government mismanagement and higher taxes has prevented oldtimers from surviving with self esteem intact. Pity!

Our only satisfaction lies in the realization that most young people in society are eventually going to age too, and will find yourselves in our shoes, eventually. :chuckle

Job performance is best judged on its own merits, not age. However, what if a person's advanced age is a factor in their declining job performance? I think many of us can think of examples of older nurses that perhaps shouldn't be working the floor any longer. I certainly do not want to be working the floor when I am 65, 70, 80.

I think there ought to be mentoring programs in place for older nurses who cannot, for whatever reasons, retire, be they fiduciary or a need to stay busy or what have you. These older nurses could serve to assist new grads learn policy and procedures, solve problems, and develop their nursing practice.

If you don't want to be working the floor at 65...better get your education (BSN, MSN, PHD or whatever floats your boat) while you still have lots of good brain cells left!! I also said that at the tender age of 22 (or so) "I can't see me doing this another 20 years!!!" Well, I passed that marker 10 years ago. I am going back to school as my BACK can't handle the increasing number of larger patients we seem to be getting. My mom still worked at the age of 65 and would have continued if she hadn't had a hip fx. she worked in LTC and still provided bedside care.

I've met several nurses in their 70's. Not one of them showed poor job performance, but I could fill books and books listing the mistakes, poor performance, and attitudinal problems of people on the other end of the age spectrum. I suspect that the next nurse in her 70's that I meet will also be outperforming her/his younger co-workers.

Yes and AMEN. As we and newer generations learn to care for ourselves better...I'm sure we will see MANY older nurses =)

Specializes in Cardiac Telemetry, ED.
Oh, I don't know why, but I have hopes for Generations X, Y, and so on. Let's face it: if we Boomers will just look back to our own salad days, WE did our share of slacking and partying too. We may not have lived with our parents until our mid-20s or still been content to flip burgers at Mickey D's in our mid-30s, but we took our sweet time about growing up..........and even now, we're having to be dragged kicking and screaming into old age. We aren't growing old gracefully, we're fighting it tooth and nails, and we are NOT going gently into that good night. So what if it takes the younger generations a little more time to develop a work ethic---we aren't exactly stepping aside to make room for them, now are we?

'Nuff said about the generation gap.:wink2:

I'm a "Gen-Xer", and I was out of the house at 17 and have an incredibly strong work ethic, as do most of my peers in my age range. I'm not convinced that work ethic is generational. I think it's more a matter of maturity, which is not age dependent.

Specializes in Nephrology, Cardiology, ER, ICU.

Heck, since I'm returning to school (again) this fall, and I'm already 50, I'll be working till they cart me outta here!

Specializes in Med Surg/Ortho.

My mother experienced this. She is 63 and been a nurse for about 25 years. She left a job over a year and a half ago as a director of an alzheimer's facility. She had worked there for ten years, but the stress of working 80 hours a week, being on call day and night, got to her. And she has had the hardest time finding a job. She did get one on the floor, but had to quit...she couldn't physically do it anymore. She has been trying to find other manager type positions, but one hiring manager actually commented about her age. He said something to the effect of "so, you are already 63, I guess you don't plan on working for more than a couple of years," and surprise, surprise, she didn't get the job. A month ago she finally got a decent desk job, but she had been getting very depressed about it. She definitely blames her age.

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
anyone that knows me, will know that i honor our eldery folks.

so please do not misconstrue the following.

but age-related deficits happen.

i am particularly thinking of 3 older people i know, that have had their drivers licenses taken away.

so while i do not want to assume motor or cognitive impairment across the board, it is pervasive enough that it's not unreasonable to anticipate.

we need to be able to address concerns (regardless of age) w/o being accused of being discriminatory.

so how do we handle these facts of life, w/o infringing on one's constitutional rights?

leslie

Having a drivers' license cancelled/removed can just be a matter of not having enough money or energy to fight a parking ticket. I was blown away to discover that a parking ticket I'd planned to fight, (but was told at the courthouse that it isn't possible to do that) was responsible for the state of VA's DMV to:1. triple the fine, in the space of a few months and 2. remove my license to drive until that fine is paid. Since I'm only seeing my physicians, at this time that's not too great a loss, but it does seem excessively punitive, to lose one's drivers' license over a non moving violation!

As I've mentioned in other posts, I've had age discrimination take my jobs in the past 14 years (ran out of financial reserves); and now anemia took my strength, so a $200. fine is impossible to pay, along with expensive

medications (Medicare D costs more in premiums than my high priced meds), living on SS.

Please think kindly of any nurses (or anyone else) who you know, who have lost their driving privileges, if your state removes drivers' licenses for unpaid parking tickets. Since the DMV is a Federal agency, and exacting

parking fines comes from the state, I'm looking into the legal status of my situation. Hopefully demonstration of good nursing skills indicates retention of cognitive and motor capabilities., by the 3 nurses you know.

The stress of illness, financial reverses, and work can be daunting and erodes self esteem. Friendly gestures would be welcomed by anyone you know in those circumstances. Often they live alone, and could be far from their families.........:crying2:

Specializes in Med Surg, Ortho.
My mother experienced this. She is 63 and been a nurse for about 25 years. She left a job over a year and a half ago as a director of an alzheimer's facility. She had worked there for ten years, but the stress of working 80 hours a week, being on call day and night, got to her. And she has had the hardest time finding a job. She did get one on the floor, but had to quit...she couldn't physically do it anymore. She has been trying to find other manager type positions, but one hiring manager actually commented about her age. He said something to the effect of "so, you are already 63, I guess you don't plan on working for more than a couple of years," and surprise, surprise, she didn't get the job. A month ago she finally got a decent desk job, but she had been getting very depressed about it. She definitely blames her age.

This is definitely an example of age discrimination if I've ever seen it.

This manager that commented about her age needs to be

reported to somebody regarding this comment he made to your mother.

This could actually be a lawsuit, too bad she didn't get a witness

that heard this @#$$ make this comment to her. Makes me so

angry.

I'm sorry your mom had to experience this. I hate that this guy caused

her to feel depressed.....totally unacceptable. I'm glad she found

a nice job though. Just tell her it's probably a good thing she didn't get

that job....who would want to work with a manager like this??

One day this manager will get old himself, and guess what......

what goes around comes around, and I'm sure he'll get his turn,

one of these days.

Specializes in Med Surg/Ortho.
This is definitely an example of age discrimination if I've ever seen it.

This manager that commented about her age needs to be

reported to somebody regarding this comment he made to your mother.

This could actually be a lawsuit, too bad she didn't get a witness

that heard this @#$$ make this comment to her. Makes me so

angry.

I'm sorry your mom had to experience this. I hate that this guy caused

her to feel depressed.....totally unacceptable. I'm glad she found

a nice job though. Just tell her it's probably a good thing she didn't get

that job....who would want to work with a manager like this??

One day this manager will get old himself, and guess what......

what goes around comes around, and I'm sure he'll get his turn,

one of these days.

When she told me about this, I asked if he actually said those words (wanted to make sure she wasn't just reading between the lines), and she told me yes, those were his exact words. I was very angry and told her to sue him, but she just let it go. I know she is wonderful nurse, have been told this many times by doctors she has worked for/with. One of them told me that I should become a nurse because she was the best nurse he had ever worked with, has great assessmet skills and caught many mistakes....that if I got even half of that, I would make an excellent nurse. She is the main reason I want to go to nursing school. She tells me numerous stories how hard it is, she should do something else. But in the same breath say how much she loves it, the patients, and she couldn't imagine doing anything else! (My mom had many jobs until I was about 7 years old, never finding her passion....went to nursing school, and done nothing else since). She is a great inspiration to me.

Specializes in OB, HH, ADMIN, IC, ED, QI.
This is definitely an example of age discrimination if I've ever seen it.

This manager that commented about her age needs to be

reported to somebody regarding this comment he made to your mother.

This could actually be a lawsuit, too bad she didn't get a witness

that heard this @#$$ make this comment to her. Makes me so

angry.

I'm sorry your mom had to experience this. I hate that this guy caused

her to feel depressed.....totally unacceptable. I'm glad she found

a nice job though. Just tell her it's probably a good thing she didn't get

that job....who would want to work with a manager like this??

One day this manager will get old himself, and guess what......

what goes around comes around, and I'm sure he'll get his turn,

one of these days.

What astounds me about the post you quoted, is that 63 year old mom had been working 80 hours a week. That was the first warning sign that her health was being compromised by an unscrupulous employer. Labor laws discourage that by demanding paid overtime, but many employers ignore that, and doubt they'll be sued due to the outrageous legal fees accepted by society today. You must prove that you were damaged, before a case is considered appropriate to be heard by a Judge. :banghead:

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